• 1165 Podcasting Isn’t Dead—You Just Need a Plan | Roy Coughlan | More than a Few Words
    Sep 7 2025
    Is It Too Late to Start a Podcast? Roy Coughlan Doesn’t Think So I sat down with Roy Coughlan, a serial entrepreneur turned podcast coach, to tackle a question that’s been floating around like last week’s leftovers: Is podcasting still worth it? If you’ve been wondering whether the market is too crowded or if there’s even room for one more voice (yours), Roy has a clear answer: Yes, there’s room. Especially for podcasters who stick with it. Because while millions may have started podcasts, only a small percentage are still active. The rest? Abandoned somewhere between episode 10 and a pile of unrealistic expectations. Roy’s message wasn’t just encouraging—it was refreshingly honest. He’s hosted six shows and coached countless others, so he knows both the magic and the mess behind the mic. Why Podcasting Still Matters 1. It's not just about downloads. Podcasting gives you a direct channel to build relationships, showcase your expertise, and create meaningful conversations. Think of it less like broadcasting and more like building trust at scale. 2. It opens doors without cold calls. Inviting your ideal customer to be a guest? That’s a warm introduction with zero awkward sales pitch. You're building relationships, not just content. 3. It makes you smarter. Hosting a podcast is like getting a masterclass every week. You ask the questions you’re curious about and walk away sharper than when you started. 4. It’s a ripple effect. Inspire one person, and who knows where that impact lands? Roy’s seen podcasting create unexpected waves of positivity—sometimes in ways he didn’t realize until much later. 5. You don’t need a massive audience to make a difference. If 50 people listen to your episode, imagine them sitting in a room, eyes on you. Feels different, doesn’t it? Actionable Takeaways for Women Business Owners Set realistic expectations. Success won’t happen overnight. Keep going past the “episode 10 slump” where most people quit. Podcasting is a long game, not a viral moment. Use podcasting as a marketing tool. Record an episode that answers a client’s question. Share it ahead of a meeting to warm up the conversation and show your expertise. Start simple. Don’t overcomplicate it with gear and gadgets. Roy’s been using the same plug-and-play mic for years. Focus on content, not cables. Choose one platform to focus on. Rather than spreading yourself thin across every social channel, master one. Get good systems in place before expanding. Be a good podcast citizen. Leave a comment. Share a show. If something helped you, support the creator. Positive feedback fuels better content and stronger communities. Keep your podcast structure nimble. Things can (and will) go wrong. Use editing tools to clean up the audio and keep the process fun—not frustrating. One Last Thought Podcasting isn’t just a marketing tactic—it can be a creative outlet, a learning platform, and a powerful tool for connection. Whether you’ve got a story to tell, a message to share, or just want to have better conversations, Roy’s advice is simple: Start where you are. Stay curious. And most importantly, enjoy the process. Where to find Roy https://roycoughlan.com/ https://va.world/ https://braingym.fitness/ https://www.facebook.com/roycoughlan https://x.com/poleire https://www.instagram.com/awakening.podcast/ https://www.youtube.com/@roycoughlan https://www.linkedin.com/in/roycoughlan/ https://www.tiktok.com/@roycoughlanpodcaster
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  • #1164 | What Went Wrong: The Community That Didn’t Stick | Deanna Russon |
    Aug 31 2025

    I had a conversation with Deanna Russo, LinkedIn pro and founder of Leverage Up, about one of those ideas that sounded great in theory—but fizzled out in practice. Her LinkedIn group community was supposed to be the perfect extension of her one-on-one coaching work. But in the end, it didn’t quite land the way she hoped.

    Deanna built a network of over 30,000 followers on LinkedIn, so she knows a thing or two about creating connection. But even with that experience, launching a paid online community turned out to be harder than expected.

    She tried different formats. Played with cadence. Offered recordings. Bundled it with coaching. Unbundled it. But the reality was clear: the group wasn’t growing, and more and more people kept asking for one-on-one support.

    Sometimes, the business speaks for itself. And it’s not saying “try harder”—it’s saying “try something else.”

    Key Takeaways from Deanna’s Story

    • If it’s not growing, it’s not working. Pay attention to where your customers naturally gravitate. If one offer is thriving while another flounders, don’t split your energy trying to force both to succeed.

    • Running a community is a full-time job. You need structure, support, and likely a second set of hands. A community isn’t just a cheaper version of coaching—it’s a different product entirely.

    • Be careful with “easy yes” pricing. A low price point can feel generous, but if people can get similar content elsewhere for free, you’re training them to overlook the value you bring.

    • Don’t confuse content with connection. Just because people watch, read, or listen doesn’t mean they’re ready to join or engage. Broadcasting and building community are not the same thing.

    • You can walk away and still win. Deanna’s weekly LinkedIn Audio show gave her visibility—but when it became more burden than benefit, she stepped back. That created space for what’s working now: one-on-one coaching and organic LinkedIn engagement that’s deeply human.

    More than a Few Words is a marketing podcast for marketing pros and beginners, who are building businesses, leading brands, and doing it all without the marketing BS.

    Hosted by Lorraine Ball, each episode is a quick hit of practical advice, candid conversations, and marketing truth bombs from pros who’ve been there. No hype. No hustle culture. Just smart ideas you can actually use — whether you’re running a business from your kitchen table or corner office.

    Subscribe for new episodes, expert interviews, and marketing tips with just the right mix of sass and strategy.

    Visit https://morethanafewwords.com for more resources and downloads

    Connect with Lorraine on LinkedIn

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  • #1163 I Only Wanted the Cherry | And Other Marketing Lessons | Lorraine Ball
    Aug 24 2025

    I am going to start this marketing monologue with a story.

    I'm going to start with a story.

    I was about four years old and I went into a bakery with my dad. And while he was ordering breads and pastries, I was standing there looking in the glass counter at these beautiful pastries.

    Eventually, my dad looked down and he says, Lanie, do you want one? Yes, Daddy. So the woman reaches behind the counter and she gets me a Charlotte Russe.

    Now, if you're not from New York, you may not know what a Charlotte Russe pastry is. It's a little piece of pound cake stuffed inside a tube about the size of a toilet paper roll filled with whipped cream. And then on the very top, there's a cherry. She hands it to me, and I say thank you—because I was a very polite child.

    I ate the cherry off the top and as we were leaving, the pastry falls to the ground. Before I had a chance to say anything, the woman came running out from behind the counter and said, Don't cry, sweetie, I'll get you another one.

    Lanie, do you want another one? Yes, Daddy.

    And so the woman gave me another pastry.

    This time, as we were leaving, I ate the cherry off the top, and—yep—you guessed it. I dropped the pastry on the floor.

    Why did you do that? my father asked. And I probably should mention right about now that my dad was not a patient person.

    I said, I only wanted the cherry.

    What we had was a failure to communicate.

    My dad was talking about pastries. I was talking about cherries.

    Anyone who has spent time with children knows this feeling—talking about something and realizing halfway through the child has no idea what you mean. That’s because children come into a conversation with a smaller worldview. They don’t have the same vocabulary, experience, or context. So they focus on the parts that make sense and miss the bigger picture.

    But here’s the thing: adults do the exact same thing.

    Every networking event, every pitch, every sales call—people nod politely while you talk about your process, your platform, or your proprietary system… but if you're not speaking their language, they check out. They're thinking about their next meeting. Or dinner. Or pastries.

    So how do you keep them with you? How do you connect, especially when your work is a little technical or complex?

    Here's how:

    1. Simplify your message. Strip out the jargon. Ditch the 12-step framework. Lead with the cherry—the one irresistible thing you know they’ll understand and care about.

    2. Use familiar comparisons. Find a metaphor, an analogy, something from their world. Talk about what you do the way you’d explain it to a 10-year-old—without being condescending. Just clear.

    3. Test your message before the real thing. Before your next networking event or client meeting, practice explaining what you do to a non-marketing friend. Or your kid. Or even out loud in the mirror. If you can’t make it land simply, it’s too complicated.

    4. Lead with benefits, not process. You help clients get more leads, increase visibility, or stop spinning their wheels online. That’s what they want to hear. The platform, the tools, the magic—save that for later.

    5. Watch for confused faces—and adjust. If someone looks puzzled or politely disengaged, pause. Ask a question. Reframe. Don’t just keep steamrolling through your pitch. That’s how pastries get dropped.

    The bottom line? If you want better conversations and better results :Say less. Make it clearer. Make it about them.

    And when you do, you just might walk away with more sales, more referrals… and the occasional cherry on top.

    If this sparked an idea or reminded you of your own “cherry on top” moment, I’d love to hear about it. Hit the “Let’s Chat” button on all my social profiles or drop by morethanafewwords.com.

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  • #1162 The One Metric Most Business Owners Overlook | Jake Tlapek
    Aug 17 2025

    What if I told you there was one metric that could truly move your business forward—and most business owners aren’t even paying attention to it? That’s what we’re diving into in this episode of More than a Few Words. I had a conversation with jake Tlapek, aka the Wizard of Marketing, who’s spent the last decade helping struggling brands become high-growth success stories using battle-tested SEO and creative problem-solving.

    Episode Recap: When most people think of marketing metrics, they zero in on traffic, leads, or social likes. But Jake makes the case for a bigger-picture indicator: Share of Brand Voice—a measure of how often your brand shows up compared to competitors.

    It’s not a tidy little number you can find in a single report. Measuring it requires stitching together insights from a variety of sources.

    It’s not a tidy little number you can find in a single report. Measuring it requires stitching together insights from a variety of sources. But if you’re serious about building a visible, respected brand, this metric can’t be ignored.

    We talked about why it matters more than ever in the era of AI search, and what you can start doing right now—even if you don’t have access to fancy tools or a big team.

    Key Points:

    • Share of Brand Voice is about visibility in your space: how often your brand is mentioned, cited, or seen versus your competitors.

    • It’s not easily measured in one place—you’ll need to combine analytics, branded search volume, and SEO tools for a clearer picture.

    • Tools like SparkToro and Search Atlas can help if you’re ready to go deeper.

    • Don’t overlook your Google Search Console and branded keyword searches—they’re a great place to start.

    AI Search is Changing the Game

    • AI doesn’t just answer one query. It generates dozens of variations before delivering results.

    • To show up in AI overviews, your content should answer multiple versions of the same core question.

    • Visibility in AI results depends on pattern recognition—the more your brand appears across the web, the more likely it is to be included in AI-generated answers.

    Actionable Takeaways for Women Business Owners:

    • Start by tracking branded searches in Google Search Console. If no one is looking for you by name, it’s time to build awareness.

    • Answer variations of your most-asked questions across your blog, website, and social platforms. Repetition is your friend.

    • Get featured elsewhere. Guest blogs, podcast interviews, and external mentions help create brand signals AI can detect.

    • Create short-form video content. Every video gets transcribed and indexed—boosting both search and AI visibility.

    • Don’t just post—get credited. Whether you're guesting on a podcast or writing for another site, make sure your name and brand are clearly attached.

    Jake Tlapek

    Jake, often called the Wizard of Marketing has spent the last decade turning struggling brands into high-growth businesses using no-fluff strategy, battle-tested SEO, and a heavy dose of creative problem-solving. From WordPress to PPC, content to conversion, he break down the complex so business owners can actually win online.

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  • #1161 Lessons from a $50K Misfire | Joseph Drolshagen
    Aug 10 2025

    Joseph ( Dr. Joey) Drolshagen, left behind a high-powered corporate career to launch his own coaching business built on the SMT Method—Subconscious Mindset Training. He's seen incredible success helping companies grow, but in this conversation we’re not talking about the wins.

    We're digging into one of his biggest flops: a year-long coaching program called Struggle to Soar—designed for men navigating divorce, loss, or career upheaval. He spent over a year building it and more than $50,000 on development and ads. The result? One client. Just one.

    And yet, buried in that failure were the seeds of everything he does today.

    What Was the Idea? A high-ticket, year-long personal development program tailored to help men rebound after major life disruptions. The concept was born from personal experience and fueled by his passion for mindset transformation.

    What Went Wrong? Two things, really:

    1. The audience wasn't ready. Joey targeted men, a group far less likely (at that time) to seek out emotional or mindset support.

    2. He went big, too soon. Rather than testing the waters with a small group, he dove into the deep end—ads, funnels, course content, the whole enchilada.

    What He’d Do Differently: Start small. Joey now knows he could’ve launched with a free Facebook group or a low-commitment mastermind. That would have created a feedback loop, built a real community, and helped him tweak the offer before dropping tens of thousands of dollars.

    The Takeaway for Business Owners: Don’t confuse a powerful idea with a market-ready offer. Even the best ideas need the right audience, timing, and delivery method. Before you invest in the big rollout, build a small tribe. Talk to them. Test your concept in real time. Then, scale what sticks.

    Or in Joey’s words: “I still believe in the mission. I just needed to serve it up with a side of cheese—something familiar to get them to take that first bite.”

    LEARN MORE ABOUT JOEY – https://coachwithjoey.com

    GET THE BOOK Book Link: https://a.co/d/8ateFjK

    Let's Chat

    Sometimes my podcast feels like a one way conversation. Sure I am talking to my guests, but would love to hear from you as well. So if you are a regular listener, or just drop by from time to time I would love to hear from you. Drop a question, marketing tip or idea for an upcoming episode here.

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  • #1160 What Went Wrong with More than a Few Words | Lorraine Ball
    Aug 3 2025

    What Went Wrong: I Was Talking to the Wrong Audience

    After years of interviewing guests about their marketing mistakes, I decided it was time to turn the microphone on myself. This solo episode of More than a Few Words dives into one of my biggest missteps—fifteen years in the making.

    When I launched More than a Few Words, I imagined it as a smart marketing resource for small business owners. I was running a digital agency, working with contractors, lawyers, and local service pros. Naturally, I figured a podcast could attract more of them.

    The idea seemed solid. The conversations were interesting. The episodes were sharp and useful. But there was one little problem.

    My audience wasn’t listening.

    Turns out, the folks I built the show for—the small business owners—weren’t looking for deep dives into marketing trends or strategy debates. That’s why they hired me in the first place. They wanted solutions, not theory.

    So even though the podcast was fun to make and attracted listeners, those listeners weren’t potential clients. The show didn’t generate leads. It didn’t grow the business. It just... existed.

    What I’d Do Differently

    I wish I’d paused sooner to really look at who was tuning in. Because the people showing up every week weren’t roofers or accountants—they were marketers. Women like me. Creative professionals building their own businesses, trying to balance their love of marketing with the pressure of proving it works.

    So I’ve finally stopped pretending this is a business podcast for business owners.

    More than a Few Words is for marketers. For the curious, the committed, and the occasionally overwhelmed. For the ones who love what they do, but still sometimes wonder if they’re getting it right. It’s a space for real conversations—not just highlight reels—and stories that show what happens when things go sideways.

    If that sounds like your kind of show, hit subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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    11 mins
  • #1159 What Your Website isn’t Telling You | Phillipa Games
    Jul 27 2025

    Phillipa Games, has spent more than 25 years swimming in the deep end of digital strategy and analytics. With experience across nearly 500 clients and websites that have brought in hundreds of millions of dollars, Phillipa has seen it all from the good, to the bad, and the wildly overlooked.

    In this conversation, we peeled back the curtain on website analytics, not the overwhelming, chart-filled dashboard version, but the real, human-centered data that tells the story of what your customers are doing (and not doing) on your site.

    If you who would rather schedule a root canal than log into Google Analytics, this episode is your guide to looking at just the data that matters and learning to use it to make smarter decisions.

    Key Discussion Points:
    • Why most business owners avoid their analytics dashboards (and why that’s a mistake)
    • What to track first — hint: it’s not bounce rate
    • The real value in knowing if anyone actually sees your call-to-action
    • Why long, scrolling pages might be quietly killing your conversions
    • How your internal site search can reveal new service and product opportunities
    Actionable Takeaways:
    • Start with your business goals, not your metrics. Analytics are only helpful if you know what you’re trying to achieve. Define what success looks like before diving into data.
    • Every page needs a call to action. Don’t leave visitors guessing. Tell them what the next step is — and test different formats and placements to see what works.
    • Don’t bury your offer Long pages may look modern, but if your CTA is stuck at the bottom, many visitors will never see it. Move it up the page, and repeat it on the bottom.
    • Use internal search as market research. The words people type into your site’s search box can reveal what they expect you to offer — and what you might consider offering next.
    • Watch where they drop off. If your audience isn’t finishing your videos or podcast episodes, take a hard look at how you open. You may be losing them in the first 15 seconds.
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  • #1158 Michael Buckbee | Ask Chat GPT What it Thinks About You!
    Jul 20 2025

    Imagine being a fly on the wall, hearing what people really say about your business when you’re not in the room. That’s the promise of AI-driven SEO today.

    I sat down with Michael Buckbee, a marketing and tech veteran, to talk about how tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity are reshaping brand visibility. This isn’t your standard SEO conversation, it’s a peek behind the digital curtain to discover what AI thinks about your business. Trust me, it’s more revealing than you might expect.

    Whether you’re refining your brand, trying to figure out your target audience, or stalking your competitors (in the most professional way, of course), AI can offer surprisingly honest and useful feedback. If you know what to ask.

    Key Takeaways:

    • AI tools reflect public perception: AI platforms synthesize massive amounts of data and offer a “consensus view” of your brand. This feedback can be shockingly accurate, or totally misaligned with your goals, but either way, it’s insight you shouldn’t ignore.
    • Your content influences AI responses: AI can hallucinate when it lacks clear information, often making up details to fill in gaps. You can reduce misinformation by creating targeted, well-written content that clarifies key facts about your business.
    • Use AI for brand audits and competitive research: You can (and should) ask ChatGPT and similar tools what they think of your competitors. Discover what they're doing well and where they’re falling short.
    • Low-volume search content now matters more: Traditional SEO focused on high-volume keywords. Today, many questions are answered directly in AI tools, making long-tail, intent-driven content more valuable than ever.
    • Empathy and intent are your SEO secret weapons: Instead of chasing trends, focus on what your ideal customer is trying to accomplish. Answer their real questions with real solutions, and both humans and AI will reward you.

    What can you do today?

    • Type your business name into ChatGPT, Perplexity, or Gemini and ask: “What do you know about [your company name]?” and “Who is their target audience?”
    • Ask ChatGPT to perform a SWOT analysis of your business — you might be surprised by what it sees as strengths or weaknesses.
    • Look up a competitor in the same way to uncover gaps or areas where your brand could shine brighter.
    • Review your content library. Are you answering the right questions? If not, prioritize content that clarifies your expertise and speaks directly to your audience’s needs.
    • Don’t just write for Google anymore. Make sure your website is accessible to AI bots, and focus on content that solves problems clearly and helpfully.

    AI doesn’t have to be a mystery. it can be your mirror, your marketing consultant, and your competitive edge. You just have to ask the right questions.

    About Michael Buckbee

    Michael has worked at the intersection of marketing and technology for nearly two decades. Past clients include the US Navy, Fortune 100 companies, YC startups, presidential candidates, federal agencies, rock bands, and foreign governments. Today, he's the co-founder of Knowatoa, a service that tracks brand visibility, rankings, and sentiment within AI search services like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google Gemini.

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