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  • Only resisting dying hurts. Death is great. - ACIM

    Only resisting dying hurts. Death is great. - ACIM
    Apr 24 2026

    ACIM Song of Prayer


    Reading and Interpretation of "Prayer is a way to true humility": Soo Kim read the passage on humility, which they noted brings peace because it removes the need to "rule the universe, nor judge all things". Jevon Perra reflected that their personal struggle often stems from judging things as they "shouldn't be" instead of accepting them as they are.

    Humility and Laying Down of Judgment: Denise Darlene defined humility as the laying down of judgment, contrasting it with the ego's claim to "know everything" and the way things should be. Soo Kim observed that it is difficult to let go of the need to be right, especially if validation depended on it during childhood.

    Suffering as a Choice and for Connection: Denise Darlene shared a personal experience where they recognized that they chose suffering, realizing it allowed them to connect with others and receive special treatment or attention. They were later able to lay down suffering when they could no longer find a "good reason to continue to suffer".

    The Illusion of Future Accomplishment: Jevon Perra reflected that their suffering centers around preparing and accomplishing in the belief that it will lead to "enough". They had an insight that future accomplishment would ultimately feel the same as the present moment, realizing the suffering exists only because they believe they do not currently have what they need.

    The Pain of Ending Struggle: Jevon Perra acknowledged that they enjoy the pursuit and accomplishment, which has become tied to their identity and sense of lovability. They noted that letting go of this struggle and suffering can also be painful while the old pattern is "dying," but freedom follows the "death of it".

    Illusions and Humility Cannot Coexist: Soo Kim read that "Illusions and humility have goals so far apart they cannot coexist". Jevon Perra elaborated that illusions are created when attention is projected outward, making what has been projected seem real, which prevents the engagement of humility.

    Humility as Power Under Constraint: Jevon Perra shared the definition of humility as "power under constraint," like a broken horse that is still powerful but controlled and safe. They related this to spiritual identity, where power comes from an eternal nature that already has everything and does not need to earn love.

    Waking Up to Reality and the Shift in Focus: Jevon Perra used the analogy of mistaking a rope for a snake in the dark to illustrate that waking up means not buying into the illusion, even though the physical object remains. They noted that the normal human activity is to look for differences and cherish "specialness," which is tied to scarcity.

    Scarcity Versus Abundance: Jevon Perra contrasted the world's value system, where scarcity equals value (like gold), with the godly things, where abundance and commonality lead to contentment. They proposed that the suffering created by separation and uniqueness dissolves when one recognizes the "God stuff" that makes up everyone.

    Seeing Innocence in Others: Jevon Perra suggested that seeing an enemy as oneself, as another unique expression of God stuff, allows for the perception of innocence, even in figures like Hitler. This realization leads to the understanding that one "can't go without" anyone, as they are all part of the self.

    The Story of Byron Katie and Oneness: Jevon Perra recounted the story of Byron Katie, who looked into the eyes of a man threatening them with a gun and loved them, seeing "sameness". Denise Darlene also shared a story about Katie after she was released from a facility, demonstrating a total lack of separation where she saw everything as one and was willing to give away her house.

    Recommendation of Byron Katie's Work: Denise Darlene highly recommended listening to Byron Katie's audio book, *Loving What Is*. Jevon Perra mentioned that Katie's story involves an enlightening experience where they lost their separate identity and became one with everything, teaching others to "love reality".

    The Conclusion of "The latter ends": Soo Kim read the concluding passage that states learning is no longer needed when one stands at the gate of heaven with their brother beside them, and time ends forever. Prayer is completed because the individual has recognized the Christ in themself.

    Heaven and the Concept of Salvation: Denise Darlene reflected on the beauty of the conclusion, stating that heaven cannot exist without everyone present, challenging the religious idea that one could be happy in heaven while others are in hell. Jevon Perra noted the data is "mounting" that they do not know their own best interest.
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  • See Sameness = Awesome Life. See Differences = Sucky Life. - ACIM

    See Sameness = Awesome Life. See Differences = Sucky Life. - ACIM
    Apr 20 2026
    ACIM - reading in the Song of Prayer. Chapter 3, Verse 5Reading and Interpretation of "Song of Prayer" Verse 5: The group returned to their reading, starting with Song of Prayer, Chapter 3, Verse 5. Jevon Perra interpreted the text through the analogy of life as an "open hand," where pain and suffering arise from gripping too tightly to things they love or fighting things they dislike. Freedom comes from being willing to accept or lose everything, which releases internal fighting against the world.Prayer for Goals and the Cost of Enemies: Soo Kim read a passage stating that prayers for external gifts like things, status, or human love are requests that set up "jailers" and hide guilt, distorting the purpose of prayer. These lesser goals are lost in the quest for God and turn prayer into requests for enemies, with the crucial point that "All other goals are at the cost of God". Jevon Perra explained that their own prayer or judgment creates the enemies in their life, such as an inconsiderate mother or an idiot driver, highlighting how they trade "heaven for some silly thing" like being mad in traffic over a small distance.Serving One Master and Expansive vs. Contracted States: Soo Kim connected the idea of trading goals for God to the biblical concept that "you can only serve one master," as they are polar opposites. The group concluded that this is because the two paths are incompatible: one leads to an expansive energetic state and the other to a contracted state. Brian Genovese interjected, asking if the *Course of Miracles* principle involves using the Holy Spirit as the instrument of guidance.The Holy Spirit and Blaming God for Suffering: Jevon Perra affirmed that the Holy Spirit is the voice of God and the only true source of guidance in the dream of life. Brian Genovese questioned whether negative impulses, such as road rage, should be checked against the Holy Spirit. The speakers discussed the common tendency to blame God for bad things, noting that, in the context of the course, suffering is a "fantasy perception" based on the belief in bodies that can die and lose things.The Value of Suffering and Comparison in Perception: Jevon Perra argued that many painful experiences, like horror movies or intense drama, are enjoyed when framed in the "right context," but disliked when they violate a personal preference. The conversation related this to the *Truman Show*, where a character orchestrates their life only to reject it. Soo Kim affirmed that comparison is necessary for the human brain to define what it likes, establishing a "baseline".Suffering and Baseline Adjustment: The group agreed that difficulty and suffering can be valuable for creating a new baseline, allowing people to appreciate a simpler life. The discussion moved to the idea that the brain requires contrast, like the experiment where kittens failed to develop the ability to see certain patterns without prior exposure. Similarly, Aboriginal people raised in the jungle could not assimilate the sight of the ocean and ships because they had no "far away things" in their experience.Life as an Adventurous Dream: Jevon Perra presented an analogy of life as an adventurous dream chosen by the dreamer, where they eventually opt to experience even things like being "the loser" or "a failure" for the sake of adventure, which suggests that there is "no enemy" and that everything is "from God".Praying with Others and the Release of Differences: Soo Kim read the next passage, "Praying with others," stating that joining in prayer becomes possible once the need to see the other as an enemy is questioned. The barrier to shared goals is "difference," while the vision of Christ relies on "similarities". Jevon Perra observed that humans are "difference machines," obsessed with tiny variations, which leads to judgment, whereas focusing on sameness can lead to finding friends and common ground.The Role of Separateness and Evolution in Thinking: Jevon Perra suggested that the base ingredient for suffering is thinking oneself as separate, and suffering is proportional to how tightly one holds onto the belief in their separateness. They contrasted the traditional mindset of working 40 years for retirement with the contemporary thinking of younger generations, who expect abundance now, suggesting this is a beneficial "evolution in thinking".The True Aim of Prayer: Cause and Forgiveness: Soo Kim read a final passage, which emphasized that those who pray together should ask "what is the will of God," because praying for specifics or effects without the proper cause is insufficient. Jevon Perra interpreted the text to mean that the "cause" for happiness is not the desired "effect" (the list of things to be happy), but rather "forgiveness," which is the release of judgment that can happen immediately.Releasing the Present from Past Illusions: The final passage read by Soo Kim stated that praying for specifics is asking to repeat the past, but the aim of prayer is...
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  • A big THANK YOU to all my A$$Holes xoxo - ACIM

    A big THANK YOU to all my A$$Holes xoxo - ACIM
    Apr 17 2026
    Beginning the Discussion on Praying for Others: The group shifted topics to "A Course in Miracles," specifically "The Song of Prayer," and began reading the section "Praying for Others". The reading established that prayer is always for oneself, and prayer for others, when rightly understood, helps the individual release projections of guilt from their sibling. Jevon Perra noted that the idea of praying for others is sometimes approached with a "scarcity mentality," believing that giving prayer diminishes one's own benefit.The Projection of Guilt and the Creation of Enemies: Jevon Perra discussed how the perception of an enemy is a self-creation, similar to the placebo effect, where one creates an experience of "enemy" instead of "friend". They shared a story of a town guru who was saddened by the death of the town's antagonist, stating the "a-hole" was their best friend and teacher for revealing the guru's remaining judgments. Jevon Perra concluded that the world is a projection, suggesting that sickness and wellness are experiences created from within.The Fear of Annihilation and Cherishing Guilt: The conversation returned to the idea that people "cherish our guilt" because the world is projected from this guilt, which is tied to the fear of annihilation or the end of a separate, special self. Jevon Perra explained that wishing hell on another means that the state of wishing hell must come through oneself first, so freeing one's sibling also brings salvation to themself. Brian Genovese connected this to the ego-building competition often seen in churches regarding who has "saved" the most people.Prayer and Vengeful God: Soo Kim read that the lowest forms of prayer are fueled by envy and malice, calling for vengeance, and asking upon a "vengeful God" who seems to answer them. Jevon Perra noted that those who are in hell can ask for help, but those who have accepted forgiveness could never make such a prayer. The group also discussed how religious systems often create a multi-level marketing scheme, where the highest levels of spiritual attainment are always just out of reach.The Internal Source of Love and Experience: Denise Darlene emphasized that feelings of love, compassion, and kindness come through the individual, not from outside sources. Jevon Perra agreed that assigning an external source to determine one's love is the flaw in romantic notions. Denise Darlene used the analogy of a person smoking in front of a mirror and telling the reflection to quit, illustrating that the reflection (external reality) will not change until the person (internal state) changes first.Self-Regulation and External Judgment: Soo Kim asked about the feeling of seeing someone else doing what one self-regulates against, such as having an emotional meltdown that derails a class discussion. Jevon Perra identified this as basic projection, where one's own unallowed behavior is projected onto others. Denise Darlene suggested Soo Kim research the Enneagram type one, the "reformer," to understand the patterns of the ego that limit their experience and struggles with justice.The Enneagram and Temperament: Soo Kim acknowledged that their results on the Enneagram test had been inconsistent in the past, unlike their consistent Myers-Briggs results. Jevon Perra explained that the Enneagram identifies dominant "go-to" temperaments that are helpful for framing one's behavior without the heaviness of being identified *as* the anger. Jevon Perra further discussed three ways the "Course" can be used: as magic to get what is wanted, for personality development, and ultimately, to realize that one is "none of it".The Value of the "Don't Know Mind": The conversation shifted to the importance of approaching life with an "innocent mind" and avoiding the assignment of meaning or judgment. Brian Genovese related this to the biblical story of Adam and Eve, who were innocent until they ate the apple, which represented the knowledge of judgment. Denise Darlene suggested the practice of being a "witness" to the "movie" of life, where everything is neutral until one places meaning upon it.Innocence, Wonder, and Social Constructs: Denise Darlene spoke about the innocence and wonder of a baby's mind, which operates in a state of hypnosis and curiosity before being programmed by the world. Jevon Perra noted that societal constructs force people to adhere to predetermined agreements to be "a little bit miserable" all the time, preventing expressions of love and joy with strangers. Soo Kim related the concept of the "don't know mind" to the relief experienced during travel or intense practices like Bufo, which cause temporary identity loss.The Ego's Security and the Invitation to Trust: Denise Darlene stated that the ego bases its security on the belief that it knows, and acknowledging "I don't know" raises the fear of the unknown. This fear of the unknown is described as an invitation to trust and merge with the "I am". Soo Kim recounted a negative ...
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  • THE SECRET You Won't Like for Ultimate Success - ACIM - Song of Prayer

    THE SECRET You Won't Like for Ultimate Success - ACIM - Song of Prayer
    Apr 13 2026
    Spoiler, it's surrender.Locating the Reading Material: The participants confirmed they were reading "The Song of Prayer," located behind the manual for teachers in *A Course in Miracles*. Soo Kim identified the current section as the top of page four, specifically chapter two, "The Ladder of Prayer," starting at paragraph four.Reading on Praying for One's Enemies: Soo Kim read a passage describing the contradiction of "praying for one's enemies". The passage explains that the contradiction lies not in the words but in the interpretation, suggesting that having enemies limits one's prayer and ability to receive. The text advises individuals to pray for themself so they "may not seek to imprison Christ and thereby lose the recognition of your own identity".Interpretation of Prayer, Needs, and Enemies: Jevon Perra interpreted the reading as prayer being an "energetic state" that determines the world one sees—either separation and guilt or love and unity. They noted that the "sinless have no needs" because they choose the Holy Spirit's world, where enemies disappear, emphasizing that being a "traitor to no one" means not being "treacherous to yourself".Discussion on Judgment and Sinlessness: Denise Darlene elaborated on the concept of oneness, explaining that judging another, or treating them as an enemy, means judging oneself. They stated that the "sinless have no needs" because they have "no guilt" and do not believe in separation from God or one another, eliminating problems in perception.Personal Example of Anger and Enemy Creation: Jevon Perra shared a personal anecdote about becoming violently angry at another man in a crowded sauna who wanted them to move. They recognized that they created an enemy through their "filters" and judgments, ready to engage in a "physical battle".Relationships as Lessons in Love and the Danger of Agendas: Denise Darlene referenced *A Course in Miracles*, suggesting that "under his teaching all relationships become a lesson in love" and that everyone should be viewed as a teacher. Denise Darlene further noted that having an ego-driven agenda leads to trouble and suffering, contrasting it with the guidance of asking, "What would you have me do? Where would you have me go? What would you have me say? And to whom?".The Enemy as a Symbol of Imprisoned Christ: Soo Kim read paragraph five, which defines an enemy as "the symbol of an imprisoned Christ". The prayer for enemies is therefore "a prayer for your own freedom," unifying Christ and recognizing their sinlessness. Jevon Perra affirmed this by noting that having an enemy experience or a friend experience is a projection coming through them, confirming, "There is no outside of me that happens that is independent of me".Forgiveness as Removing Judgment: The discussion turned to forgiveness, which Soo Kim defined as choosing to view a person "just doing the best they can and nothing they do can hurt us". Jevon Perra clarified that forgiveness in this context means "removing your judgment" without labeling actions as good or bad, allowing for an experience of being "whole, complete with the father".Reframing Offense and Unconscious Guilt: Denise Darlene offered a framework for handling offense, stating that when someone is perceived as disrespecting you, they are projecting their unconscious guilt onto you, and the action is "never about you". They suggested that one can turn this inward and ask where they disrespect themself, which reveals a belief in separation from God and guilt.Relating Guilt and Ego to the Enneagram: Jevon Perra connected the underlying issue of guilt to the Enneagram's concept of darkness, which temperaments are formed to avoid. They shared that their own negative day and desire to "beat up a kid" stemmed from the feeling of being unworthy of love and being a "poser" or "pretender".Continuing the Reading and the Meaning of Prayer: Soo Kim read the next paragraph, which confirms that prayer "is always for yourself," and that truly praying for enemies leads to one's own salvation. The reading describes true prayer as a "song of thanks to your creator, sung without words or thoughts or vain desires," rising from a state of identity in Christ where "there is no lack".Discussion of Michael Singer's 'Surrender Experiment': Jevon Perra introduced Michael Singer's *The Surrender Experiment* as an example of surrender, noting that the premise was to say yes to anything asked. Denise Darlene clarified that Singer committed to saying yes for 10 years to see how life would unfold under God's guidance, which he extended to 40 years.Singer's Success and Human Design: Denise Darlene recounted that Singer, who started living in a van, became the founder of WebMD, built several companies, and is now a billionaire, despite never desiring money. Denise Darlene also categorized Singer as a "responder, a sacral open sacral responder" in Human Design, waiting for and responding to invitations.Relinquishing Judgment as ...
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  • My crazy is less painful when I watch and stay aware.

    My crazy is less painful when I watch and stay aware.
    Apr 10 2026

    My crazy is less painful when I watch and stay aware.
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  • Letting Go of the A*$Holes - ACIM - Song of Prayer

    Letting Go of the A*$Holes - ACIM - Song of Prayer
    Apr 6 2026
    Processing Anger and Judgment: Soo Kim wondered if their strong judgments during mass were an opportunity for personal growth or just reinforced their ego in believing others are wrong. Jevon Perra suggested that writing a personal sermon in their phone during mass, which often served as a "wonderful affirmation" for themself, was a helpful way to cope. Jevon Perra also stated that the corrections they had for the priest always applied to themself, revealing their own hidden judgment.Attending Mass Due to Family Obligations: Soo Kim explained that they attended the Catholic mass because of their parents, despite the emotional cost. When their parents offered money for the collection basket, Soo Kim ignored them to avoid confrontation, having previously told them they would not participate. Soo Kim’s mother appreciated their attendance, viewing it as a success for her own "fantasy life".Catholic Views on Salvation: Denise Darlene shared a story about a friend's father contemplating death and worrying about their son possibly going to purgatory for leaving the Church. Jevon Perra noted that purgatory is "gracious" because people can "earn their way out of that," in contrast to other Christian denominations. The conversation noted the mechanistic nature of Catholicism, where doing and saying the required things are more important than believing or meaning them.Definition of Prayer in A Course in Miracles: The group began reading from *A Course in Miracles*, defining prayer as a continuous state of being, not just words or actions. Prayer in its asking form stems from a sense of scarcity and lack, which involves feelings of weakness and inadequacy. The text suggests that without guilt, there is no scarcity, and "the sinless have no needs".Overcoming Judgment in Religious Settings: Soo Kim described how attending mass forces them to constantly filter out what they do not believe, making it difficult to maintain a peaceful state. Jevon Perra countered that they handle similar situations by remembering that their job is not to save people but to forgive, which means letting go of judgment. Jevon Perra concluded that they can choose to meditate or tune out the parts that do not interest them.Reframing Experience as a Witness: Denise Darlene advised Soo Kim to adopt the role of a witness rather than a participant to avoid emotional investment. They suggested viewing the church service from a "technical standpoint," like watching a movie with fascination, acknowledging that everyone is innocent in their current level of belief and ignorance. Denise Darlene emphasized that a miracle is simply changing one’s perspective from fear to love.Identifying the Root of Anger: Soo Kim expressed that the church made them impure and instilled guilt by literally teaching them to strike their heart and state that their faults were their great offense. Jevon Perra noted that being upset with the priests for judging them means Soo Kim is simultaneously judging the priests with the same judgment. Denise Darlene added that anger reveals pre-existing guilt and shame within Soo Kim, who would otherwise not be bothered.Forgiveness as Letting Go: Jevon Perra affirmed that offenders are a "gift" because they reveal personal judgments. They shared that letting go of the offense and the judgment is what forgiveness entails. Jevon Perra concluded that the negative experiences only remain real if one holds on to the offense, and that peace comes from letting go of judgments about how the world or people should be.The Choice of Perspective: Denise Darlene noted that anger arises from feeling powerless, and that awareness of the anger allows one to choose a different response. They reiterated that no one, including the priests, can act differently than they are doing right now because they do not have the same level of knowledge or awareness.Patterns, Conditions, and Awareness: Denise Darlene explained that individuals operate based on patterns and conditions established by what they have been taught and what is expected of them, such as going to church with their mother on Easter. They stressed that people cannot improve until they become aware of these conditions and are shown something different, suggesting the listener could be a catalyst for change. They noted that remaining angry limits one's experience on Earth, and encouraged the listener to choose differently without judgment, as judgment creates stagnation.Healing, Forgiveness, and Helping Others: Denise Darlene stated that the listener's experiences, including those from childhood, could serve a purpose, allowing them to help others once they heal, forgive, and understand how to navigate life. They emphasized that until a person moves past anger and finds clarity, they cannot effectively assist others. Jevon Perra affirmed these points, stating they receive this message.The Role of Innocence and Grace: Denise Darlene concluded the discussion by linking the ability to see ...
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  • The Desire Dumpster Fire - ACIM - Song of Prayer

    The Desire Dumpster Fire - ACIM - Song of Prayer
    Mar 31 2026
    Review of "The Song of Prayer" Text: The group transitioned to discussing their reading material, "The Song of Prayer," which Jevon Perra has read previously but has difficulty recalling. Jevon Perra confirmed they are working through Part One, likely starting on or around verse six.Interpretation of True Prayer and the Echo: Jevon Perra explained their interpretation of a line from verse three, "you can't ask for the echo because the song is the gift," suggesting that the echo represents the after-effects or external things people desire, such as money or a spa day. The true gift, the song of heaven, is the peace and contentment that they already possess, emphasizing that not one note of this song has ever been missed.Understanding Prayer as Acceptance and Communion: The discussion moved to verse six, which addresses how those who have not yet reached the level of fearlessly accepted prayer still need help. Jevon Perra highlighted that this type of prayer is not about trying to get God to change things, but rather about releasing judgments or waking up from the dream. Denise Darlene agreed, stating that true prayer is putting oneself in the presence of God—communion—rather than telling God problems.Prayer as Thanksgiving and the Concept of Namaste: Jevon Perra cited verse seven, explaining that praying to Christ in anyone is true prayer because it is a gift of thanks to the Father, referencing the concept of Namaste as acknowledging the divine presence in others. Denise Darlene noted that the power of prayer lies in it asking for nothing and receiving everything, describing it as a song of thanksgiving for what they already are.The Goal of Union with God vs. Worldly Achievement: Denise Darlene emphasized that everything God is is already theirs, and prayer is simply union with God, leading to a state of gratitude and bliss. Jevon Perra contrasted this with the worldly "accomplishment game" where people pray to change situations, seeking a desired result they label as "good" and avoiding an undesired result they label as "bad". Denise Darlene affirmed that everything unfolding is for their highest good, even undesired outcomes, because they often do not know their own best interests.Distinction Between Deserving and Best Interest: Soo Kim discussed their past experience of seeking a raise and being insulted instead, which ultimately led them to leave the company and receive a greater raise elsewhere. Denise Darlene pointed out that they got what they deserved, which was leaving the company, and that the entire sequence of events unfolded perfectly for their highest good. Denise Darlene cautioned against seeking external validation, stating that circumstances reflect what they inherently believe to be true about themselves.Three Ways to Interpret Life and the Role of Personality: Jevon Perra introduced three ways to interpret life: how to get what they want, how to develop their personality, and "Who am I?". They suggested that non-dual texts point to the third conversation, emphasizing that the personality is not the self, and thus the personality's achievements or failures do not affect the true self. Denise Darlene concluded that the ultimate desire is to awaken to the truth of being one with God, which often happens through adversity and challenges.The "Strongarming" Approach to Spiritual Practice: Soo Kim expressed an internal conflict, acknowledging the concept of divine union but still clinging to the idea that intense effort or a specific "formula" (like waking up at 3:45 AM for 40 days) is required to achieve desired outcomes. They asked how getting what they want is not the answer if achieving it still happens.Ego's Desire for Wanting and Responsibility: Denise Darlene cited *A Course in Miracles* stating the ego’s mantra is "seek but never find," constantly moving from one desire to the next. Denise Darlene explained that when one understands that God is their only source, everything is a gift, leading to gratitude and an experience of life as a surrendered vessel, which the ego resists because it loses the ability to take credit or assign blame.The "Game" of Life and the Roller Coaster Analogy: Jevon Perra suggested reframing the achievement pursuit as a game, noting that the trouble arises when they forget they are playing a game. Denise Darlene suggested a roller coaster analogy to visualize the concept that they are not the doer and are not changing the ride.Suffering as Resistance to Pain: Jevon Perra defined suffering as resistance to the experience they call pain, emphasizing that while circumstances (pain) may be scripted, suffering does not have to occur. Jevon Perra cited Victor Frankl's experience in a Nazi concentration camp to illustrate how changing the story—creating meaning—provided a reprieve from suffering without changing the underlying painful circumstances.Surrender During Difficult Experiences:
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  • You can't ask for the echo. The song is the gift. ACIM. Song of Prayer

    You can't ask for the echo. The song is the gift. ACIM. Song of Prayer
    Mar 27 2026
    You can't ask for the echo. The song is the gift. ACIM. Song of Prayer The participants decided to resume reading *A Course in Miracles*, specifically *The Song of Prayer*, after having read the introduction in the last session. They located the text, which is at the back of the book, in the section reserved for the "most spiritually advanced".Reading and Interpretation of "True Prayer" (Part 1): Soo Kim read the first section of "True Prayer," noting that prayer is a way to reach God, not merely a question or entreaty, and "it asks for nothing". Jevon Perra interpreted the core issue with typical prayer as wanting "to get God to do something".Understanding God's Answers and Experience: The group discussed the concept that true prayer is receiving what is already given, as opposed to asking for something specific, because the reality is already complete. They noted that the Holy Spirit provides answers that suit the level of need one can recognize, and the "real sound" is a "song of thanksgiving and of love". Jevon Perra commented that people often desire negative experiences, and the only proof that they want the experience is the fact that they are having it.The Role of the Holy Spirit and Letting Go: Jevon Perra discussed how the Holy Spirit gently brings people back to awareness and gives them moments of peace, which reminds them that their suffering comes from gripping an attachment to a specific plan. The process involves letting go of the "have to" and questioning how one’s life is "already perfect" underneath the frantic effort to make it different.Enneagram and the Belief in Lack: Soo Kim asked what belief drives the need to cling to attachments, suggesting it stems from a belief that one lacks something. Jevon Perra provided a brief overview of the core dispositions for Enneagram types one through eight, relating each to a particular lack they focus on, like 'not right,' 'needs help,' 'not enough to know,' or 'dangerous'.Desire for Separation and Ultimate Goal: Jevon Perra argued that all this focus on 'wrongness' distracts people from the 'darkness' so they can maintain separation and feel special. They asserted that the ultimate goal is to "stay Javon," leading Brian Genovese to jokingly suggest a line of "Enlightened Clothing" with a T-shirt for each Enneagram number.The Constant Song of Thanksgiving and Love: Jevon Perra circled back to the "real sound" being a song of thanksgiving and love, which serves as a constant comforting hope. They reflected on telling themself that "it's okay, it's going to be okay" when fearing they might fail their family. Brian Genovese related this concept to an old radio show called "Eggbach" that used the slogan "Everything's going to be okay" during the 1970s.The Definition of True Prayer and Eternity: Soo Kim read that "The secret of true prayer is to forget the things you think you need," and that asking for specifics is overlooked when those needs are given up to God. God "answers only for eternity," meaning the answers address one's ultimate completeness, not their requests based on attachment.Religious Contexts and Personal Attachment: Jevon Perra noted that while religious circles often demand adherence to God's will, the text points to a personal surrender of one's attachment to a particular result, which is the true source of suffering. They argued that no matter what one achieves, they will end up in the same mental state they are in now.The Concept of God as Love vs. a Person: Soo Kim recounted a conversation with Mormons about whether it is possible to disobey the will of God. They challenged the idea of God being a person, arguing that to be a person requires a limited perspective, which contradicts the concept of an all-knowing God.Highest State of Contentment: Jevon Perra proposed that the highest state for a human while in a body is contentment, which they define as wanting nothing else. They asserted that suffering arises from the lack of contentment and attachment, regardless of whether the attachment is to wealth or virtuous goals like wisdom or service.Prayer as Stepping Aside and Listening: Soo Kim read Verse five, which defines prayer as "a stepping aside, a letting go, a quiet time of listening and loving," rather than a supplication. This is a way of remembering one’s inherent holiness and is an offering of self "to be at one with love," leaving nothing left to want.Suffering and Control: Brian Genovese discussed how people are programmed to seek control and that the act of "Jesus, help me" is an expression of letting go. Jevon Perra agreed that people believe they would be better masters than the masters they currently work for.The Non-Judgmental View of Experience: Jevon Perra stressed that the activities people engage in, even those considered immoral, are not inherently bad because they are all part of an experience that is sought for the purpose of finding contentment. The issue is realizing that these behaviors are often ...
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