• Episode 155: Breaking Barriers: The BIPOC Coaching Advantage with guest, Shaunda Thompson
    Sep 3 2025

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    Shaunda Thompson opens a powerful window into the unique strengths BIPOC coaches bring to leadership development through their lived experiences and embodied wisdom. As an executive life coach, career strategist, and pre-licensed therapist whose leadership journey began as a US Army non-commissioned officer, Thompson speaks with authenticity about creating coaching relationships that honor clients' full identities.

    "There are times where words don't have to be spoken, or there's this invisible pain that the client sitting across from you experiences that you as a BIPOC coach already know because you've gone through it," Thompson explains, highlighting the immediate connection and psychological safety this creates. This shared understanding accelerates the coaching relationship in ways that transcend traditional approaches.

    The conversation dives deep into essential concepts for all coaches – cultural fluency, code-switching, and the mental tax of navigating predominantly white professional spaces. Thompson offers practical guidance: recognize your own history and privilege, examine your biases, unlearn dominant narratives, and get comfortable sitting in discomfort without centering guilt. Her coaching philosophy centers on what she calls "radical self-honesty" and bringing the fullness of her multiple identities into each session.

    Perhaps most compelling is Thompson's vision for reshaping the coaching profession by challenging dominant norms and embracing culturally responsive frameworks. "Let's start rejecting these one-size-fits-all models and be more open to honoring identity, community, and intergenerational wisdom," she urges. This approach doesn't just benefit BIPOC coaches and clients – it enriches the entire field with diverse perspectives and approaches that support lasting transformation.

    Ready to expand your coaching practice with greater cultural fluency? Connect with Shaunda at www.shaundathompson.com and discover how authentic leadership and intersectional empathy can transform your coaching relationships.

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    25 mins
  • Episode 154: Credentialing Without Bias: How ICF Is Building a More Equitable Coaching Future with guest, Carrie Abner
    Aug 20 2025

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    What does true fairness look like in professional certification? Carrie Abner, Vice President of ICF Credentialing, pulls back the curtain on a groundbreaking initiative that's transforming how coaches around the world become certified.

    Four years ago, amid growing social conversations about equity, ICF leadership asked themselves a challenging question: were they truly living their values when it came to fairness in their credentialing process? This moment of reflection sparked a comprehensive equity assessment that would examine every aspect of how coaches earn their ICF credentials. The project, completed in October 2024, reveals both courage and commitment from an organization willing to look critically at its own practices.

    Working collaboratively with ICF's DEIB team and an academic researcher specializing in diversity, Abner's team developed sophisticated methods to collect data, listen to stakeholders, and identify potential barriers in their processes. What they discovered led to meaningful changes: expanded assessor diversity to match growth in global markets, enhanced exam accommodations that benefit all candidates, and free exam tutorials that demystify the testing experience. Perhaps most importantly, they established ongoing feedback mechanisms that ensure continuous improvement.

    "Most things that matter take courage," Abner notes, reflecting on the vulnerability required to examine established systems for hidden biases. The assessment represents more than just procedural tweaks—it's a fundamental shift in how ICF approaches credentialing, balancing rigorous standards with accessibility and cultural awareness.

    For coaches preparing for ICF credentials, these changes mean a more equitable path to certification. For the coaching profession as a whole, ICF's work demonstrates how organizations can move beyond good intentions to create measurable improvements in fairness and inclusion.

    Share your experience with ICF's credentialing process—they're listening and using your feedback to drive positive change. Connect with Carrie Abner at carrieabner@coachingfederation.org or explore ICF's resources at coachingfederation.org.

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  • Episode 153: Coaching for Social Impact: Leadership Beyond Self-Interest with guest, Daphne Watkins
    Aug 13 2025

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    What does it truly mean to lead with social impact? Dr. Daphne Watkins, researcher, professor, and executive coach, takes us on a profound journey exploring leadership that prioritizes uplifting marginalized voices over personal advancement.

    Drawing from her remarkable career transition—from two decades researching Black men's health to coaching leaders across racial and cultural differences—Dr. Watkins illuminates how coaching can transform leaders into powerful agents of social change. She defines social impact leadership not as holding power or titles, but as "giving voice to the voiceless" and creating meaningful legacies that extend beyond individual achievement.

    The conversation tackles head-on the challenges facing diversity and inclusion work today. Rather than abandoning critical progress during DEI backlash, Dr. Watkins describes how leaders are "pivoting"—maintaining their commitment to equity while adapting their approaches. Her practical insights include creating psychological safety in coaching relationships and using identity mapping exercises to help leaders understand how their backgrounds shape their leadership styles.

    Most compelling is Dr. Watkins' nuanced exploration of privilege—how we all carry it in different contexts, often without recognition. As a self-described "data nerd" measuring coaching effectiveness through "ripple effects," she demonstrates how seemingly individual leadership transformations can cascade through organizations and communities. Her current research with leaders of color heading research institutes further reveals untold pathways to influence and impact.

    Ready to examine your own leadership through a social impact lens? This conversation offers both the challenge and the roadmap. Connect with Dr. Watkins at daphnewatkins.com and discover how your leadership can create meaningful change in a world desperately needing voices for the voiceless.

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    24 mins
  • Episode 152: Counter-Hegemonic Armor: Building Joy in the Face of Racial Battle Fatigue with guest, Janet Stickmon
    Aug 6 2025

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    What happens when a doctor prescribes "having fun" as treatment for chest pain? For wellness coach and ethnic studies professor Janet Stickmon, this unexpected prescription became a turning point in understanding how joy functions as essential medicine—particularly for those experiencing racial battle fatigue.

    Stickmon introduces us to the powerful concept of "counter-hegemonic armor," the protective skills marginalized people develop to navigate systems of oppression. But unlike traditional armor, which merely shields, this framework serves a dual purpose: protection and rejuvenation. "There's this beautiful duality," Stickmon explains. "There's being able to develop skills to properly take care of yourself... but also what is one doing to make sure they're nourished, filled, and rejuvenated—not just simply drained."

    For coaches working with BIPOC clients, this perspective transforms practice. Traditional coaching approaches often dive straight into self-care without acknowledging systemic factors. Through her program Center Joy PWR, Stickmon creates space where professionals of color can heal racial battle fatigue while reconnecting with joy. She shares her personal journey—how simply naming her experience as racial battle fatigue provided immediate liberation, and how that doctor's unusual prescription revealed she'd lost connection with fun altogether.

    The most actionable takeaway? "Treat joy as if it were a daily vitamin that you have to take," Stickmon advises. This isn't about waiting for happiness to happen but consciously integrating joy rituals into daily life. For coaches from privileged backgrounds, she emphasizes cultural humility over cultural competency—ongoing self-reflection about biases rather than presumed expertise.

    Whether you're experiencing racial battle fatigue yourself, supporting clients who are, or simply seeking a more balanced approach to personal wellness, Stickmon's framework offers both practical tools and profound insights. Listen now to discover how protecting yourself can also help you thrive—and why abundance means having "the amount of health, wealth and love that you require to live a joyful life."

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    35 mins
  • Episode 151: Liberating Latine Leaders in Coaching with guest, Annmarie Caño
    Jul 30 2025

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    Cultural representation in coaching matters deeply, yet the stark reality shows an alarming gap – only 2% of coaches identify as Latino/Latina while they represent 19% of the US population. This eye-opening conversation with Dr. Annmarie Caño explores how we can transform the coaching landscape to become truly inclusive for Latin leaders and coaches.

    Drawing from her 25 years of experience in higher education and as the author of "Leading Toward Liberation," Dr. Caño shares profound insights about creating authentic coaching relationships across cultural differences. She reveals touching success stories where Latine clients feel safe enough to express themselves fully, sometimes shifting between languages to articulate concepts uniquely expressed in Spanish – moments that represent true cultural connection and trust.

    For coaches seeking to become more culturally sensitive without overstepping boundaries, Dr. Caño offers practical guidance that goes beyond superficial approaches. She recommends incorporating thoughtful questions about cultural identity in coaching intake forms, embracing genuine curiosity about clients' cultural backgrounds, and committing to ongoing education through diverse literature, films, and community engagement. These approaches help coaches recognize and honor the strengths Latin clients bring to sessions rather than focusing on perceived deficits.

    The conversation courageously addresses systemic barriers preventing greater diversity in coaching – from the high cost of coach training to the tendency for coaching opportunities to flow primarily to those in leadership positions, who are predominantly white in many hierarchical structures. This creates cycles that limit exposure to coaching for underrepresented groups.

    Most powerfully, Dr. Caño emphasizes that creating genuine diversity isn't about "checking boxes" but building authentic relationships based on trust. "It's about showing up, not trying to prove anything, but inviting people in because you truly value what they have experienced or what they have to say." This perspective transforms how we think about inclusivity, making it about genuine connection rather than performative actions.

    Whether you're a coach seeking to expand your cultural competence, a Latine professional considering coaching, or an organization looking to create more inclusive development opportunities, this conversation provides invaluable wisdom for creating coaching spaces where everyone can bring their whole selves to the transformative work of coaching.

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    34 mins
  • Episode 150: Breaking Barriers in Coaching with guest, Pamela Larde
    Jul 23 2025

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    What happens when systemic barriers persist in an industry built on personal growth and transformation? Dr. Pamela Larde pulls back the curtain on coaching's diversity challenges and shares a groundbreaking approach to creating change.

    The coaching profession prides itself on fostering human potential, yet faces the same diversity and inclusion hurdles as many industries. Dr. Larde, creator of the first ICF-accredited Black-owned coach training school and director at the Institute of Coaching, shares findings from the pioneering Horizons program that's reimagining coach education through an equity lens.

    One powerful revelation centers on "racialized emotional labor" – the invisible psychological burden carried by people of color navigating predominantly white spaces. This concept, rooted in research on how racial stress creates physical health challenges, illuminates why traditional coaching programs may unintentionally tax diverse participants. The most surprising discovery? Students wanted more diversity content integrated throughout their training, not less.

    Despite growing backlash against DEI initiatives in the United States, Dr. Larde observes coaching organizations largely maintaining their commitment to inclusion, though with strategic adaptations. For prospective coach trainees seeking inclusive environments, she recommends examining a school's stated values, faculty diversity, and student testimonials about psychological safety. "Schools for which this is a value say it out loud – you don't have to dig very hard to find it."

    The conversation explores innovative approaches like reverse mentoring, where newer coaches share fresh perspectives with seasoned practitioners. Dr. Larde, who researches both joy and justice, embodies how these seemingly opposite focuses intersect in powerful ways.

    Whether you're a coach trainer, practicing coach, or considering coach certification, this episode offers crucial insights on creating truly inclusive coaching spaces. Connect with Dr. Larde through the Academy of Creative Coaching or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation about transforming the coaching profession.

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    24 mins
  • Episode 149: Coaching Immigrants to Leadership Success with guests, Shankar Subramaniam & Mukhunth Raghavan
    Jul 16 2025

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    Dr. Shankar Subramaniam & Dr. Mukhunth Raghavan unveil their groundbreaking Illuminant framework, designed to help coaches support immigrant professionals navigating leadership challenges in unfamiliar cultural landscapes.

    Drawing from their personal journeys as immigrants, both experts share powerful insights into the complex realities faced by those seeking to lead in new cultural contexts. Dr. Subramaniam describes immigration not as a simple transition but as "a very torturous path" involving separation from support systems and complex adaptation processes. Dr. Raghavan adds perspective from growing up as an expatriate, witnessing firsthand how globalization shapes career trajectories and workplace dynamics.

    The Illuminant assessment tool examines the tension between motivation to lead and obstacles to change, tracing these forces to what they call "causal determinants" – individual predisposition, family dynamics, and cultural environment. This framework helps coaches identify how clients can leverage their unique cultural backgrounds while adapting to new leadership expectations.

    What makes this work particularly valuable is its practical application to real-world challenges faced by immigrant professionals. Many struggle with the conflict between Western leadership expectations of boldness and risk-taking versus cultural programming that emphasizes deference and harmony. Additionally, visa status concerns often create fear around "rocking the boat," limiting authentic leadership expression.

    Though developed with immigrants in mind, the Illuminant framework proves remarkably versatile. As Dr. Raghavan explains, anyone navigating unfamiliar cultural territory can benefit from this approach – from women in male-dominated fields to professionals relocating between regions with different norms.

    Success stories highlight the framework's transformative potential: professionals transitioning from toxic to healthy work environments, individuals learning to own their expertise despite cultural conditioning toward deference, and new graduates navigating their first leadership opportunities.

    Ready to enhance your coaching practice with this innovative approach? The Illuminant assessment is available free to coaches seeking to better support clients across cultural boundaries. Connect with Dr. Subramaniam at drshankar@drshankarcoach.com or Dr. Raghavan at mukhunth@gmail.com to learn more.

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    31 mins
  • Episode 148: Bridging Racial Divides in Coaching with guest, Gloria Custodio
    Jul 9 2025

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    What happens when racial and cultural differences show up in coaching relationships? Social leadership coach Gloria Custodio brings her multifaceted experience spanning law, business, education, and nonprofit leadership to tackle this critical question during a time of heightened political polarization.

    Gloria introduces us to the powerful distinction between cultural competence and cultural humility. While competence suggests mastery—a checkbox approach to understanding differences—humility embraces ongoing curiosity about both our own and others' identities. This approach perfectly aligns with coaching's foundation of openness, wonder, and comfort with not knowing. As Gloria explains, cultural humility creates not just safe spaces but brave spaces where authentic exploration thrives.

    The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Gloria shares her personal journey using loving-kindness meditation to transform her reactions to politically charged symbols in her community. Rather than avoiding or condemning those with different views, she cultivated genuine curiosity about what their perspectives meant to them. This inner work enabled her to hold space for clients navigating political polarization without being overtaken by her own reactions—a skill increasingly essential for coaches today.

    Perhaps most practical is Gloria's approach to identity-informed coaching. She suggests asking open-ended questions like "How does your identity play into this?" rather than making assumptions about which clients have "culture" worth exploring. This gives clients autonomy to bring forward whatever aspects of their identity feel most relevant in the moment, whether racial, gender, cultural, or religious. Coaches are encouraged to show themselves the same grace they extend to clients when navigating these sometimes uncomfortable conversations.

    Subscribe to Beyond the Page for more conversations that expand your coaching toolkit and challenge you to create more inclusive, effective coaching relationships. As Gloria reminds us: "Integrity in coaching means showing up authentically and being open to learning so every client feels seen, heard and valued."

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    • Self-reflection prompts to increase cultural awareness
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    • Subtle signals of bias to watch for in your practice
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    Whether you're new to this work or deepening an existing practice, this guide offers a grounded, human-centered way to coach with integrity, even in a time of backlash.

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    28 mins