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  • Is AI a Useful Tool? (An Ask B&L Episode)
    Jul 7 2025

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    In this Ask Beth & Lisa episode, the hosts dive into the complex topic of using artificial intelligence as a writing tool. They share personal anecdotes, practical strategies, and ethical considerations for writers navigating AI in the creative process.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • Recent Highlights: Beth and Lisa reference two previous episodes with editor Joel Brigham and encourage listeners to grab the accompanying cheat sheets at writerswithwrinkles.net by signing up for the newsletter.
    • AI as a Writing Tool: The duo clarifies that AI should not be used as a ghostwriter but can serve as an effective assistant in the writing process.
    • Ethical Use Cases:
      • Organizing messy revision notes into actionable workflows.
      • Generating setting-specific sensory details.
      • Providing era-specific context for historical scenes.
      • Verifying world-building consistency in fantasy and speculative fiction.
    • Cautionary Insights:
      • AI-generated writing often lacks voice and over-explains.
      • Always fact-check AI outputs, especially historical or technical information.
      • Be wary of labeling files poorly—both hosts share horror stories of lost drafts and mismatched versions.
    • Creative Challenges:
      • Writing and revising across genres.
      • Navigating tech hiccups and summer distractions.
      • Rediscovering joy in storytelling through character and genre shifts.

    Conclusion:
    Beth and Lisa emphasize that AI, when used ethically and strategically, can streamline parts of the writing process without replacing creativity. They encourage listeners to share their own AI usage stories and remind writers to trust their instincts—especially when choosing literary agents. Don’t forget to check out the private Facebook group, The Waiting Room, for peer support and upcoming questions for literary agent Leslie Zampetti’s September episode.

    Mentioned Links:

    • Cheat Sheets: writerswithwrinkles.net
    • Facebook Group: The Waiting Room (via Writers With Wrinkles community)



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    33 mins
  • From Rough Draft to Ready: Editor Joel Brigham on Revisions That Sell
    Jun 23 2025

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    In this information-packed episode, editor Joel Brigham returns to dive deep into the art of revision, breaking down the essential steps writers must take to polish their manuscripts. From identifying critical story beats to understanding character agency and narrative pacing, Joel offers a masterclass in transforming a draft into a submission-ready novel.

    Guest Bio:
    Joel Brigham is a professional editor, former NBA journalist, and passionate advocate for emerging authors. With over a decade of editorial experience and a background in teaching, Joel brings deep insight into storytelling structure, character development, and the realities of the publishing industry.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • Revision in Phases: Joel shares his six-phase editing approach, starting with foundational story beats like the inciting incident, midpoint turn, and “all hope is lost” moment.
    • Character Development: Tips on ensuring all characters—not just the protagonist—have motivation, depth, and personal arcs.
    • Tension & Stakes: Why every chapter must carry tension and what makes stakes compelling enough to hook readers and agents.
    • Checklist for Self-Editing: Joel outlines critical revision questions including character agency, dialogue realism, narrative voice consistency, appropriate word count, readability scores, and genre expectations.
    • Avoiding Common Pitfalls: Advice on preventing rushed endings, fixing saggy middles, and using tools like the “but/therefore” method for coherent structure.
    • Voice Development: Joel explains why voice can’t be forced and shares strategies to cultivate it through imitation, feedback, and cross-genre writing.
    • Final Polish Tips: Encouragement to revise in focused passes, gather outside feedback, and avoid the impatience that leads to premature querying.

    Conclusion:
    Joel Brigham offers writers not only a clear, step-by-step path through revision, but also the inspiration to stick with it. With practical advice and a refreshing blend of honesty and encouragement, this episode is essential listening for anyone preparing to submit their manuscript.

    Mentioned Links:

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    58 mins
  • Drafting Without Fear: Writing Momentum and Mistakes to Avoid, with editor Joel Brigham
    Jun 9 2025

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    Beth and Lisa are joined by editor and author Joel Brigham to discuss the messy, magical process of drafting. Joel shares practical advice to help writers overcome perfectionism and keep their momentum through the challenging early stages of a manuscript.

    Guest Bio:
    Joel Brigham is a seasoned developmental editor and founder of Brigham Editorial. With over 21 years of experience as an English teacher, Joel also mentors authors through RevPit, an online writing community focused on providing free editorial feedback. He is a former Pitch Wars mentor and the author of multiple novels, with a passion for coaching writers through their creative blocks.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • The core purpose of a first draft: “Words on the page—period.”
    • Avoiding perfectionism and maintaining momentum in early writing stages.
    • The power of psychology in writing: Zeigarnik effect, goal gradient effect, and the commitment and consistency principle.
    • Common drafting mistakes: cliché openings, info dumping, lack of conflict, and undefined characters.
    • How to start a novel and what elements (plot, character, theme, world) might help, especially across genres.
    • Discovery writing vs. plotting: how to use strategic check-ins every 15-20k words to stay on course.
    • The importance of not editing too early and letting bad writing exist temporarily.
    • Encouragement for writers to embrace their individual process while building systems to reduce overwhelm.

    Conclusion:
    Joel Brigham offers not just craft knowledge, but a motivational boost for every writer wrestling with doubt or perfectionism. Whether you're a plotter or discovery writer, Joel’s advice focuses on giving yourself grace, building momentum, and ultimately, finishing that draft.

    Mentioned Links:

    • Sign up for the Writers With Wrinkles newsletter for episode cheat sheets: https://writerswithwrinkles.net

    Listeners are encouraged to visit the site for more on Joel and to submit questions for future episodes.



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    54 mins
  • To Edit or Not to Edit? (An Ask B&L Episode)
    May 26 2025

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    Episode Summary:
    In this engaging Ask B&L episode, Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid tackle two of the most commonly asked questions from aspiring authors: what is voice in writing and how do you navigate the editorial process? With personal anecdotes, practical advice, and a whole lot of writerly camaraderie, Beth and Lisa break down complex concepts with clarity and humor.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • Catching Up: Beth shares travel stories from Copenhagen and Amsterdam, including a must-visit bakery (Anderson Bakery), while Lisa talks about her current writing phase and genre pivot.
    • What Is Voice?: Beth uses a brilliant analogy inspired by the Van Gogh Museum to define voice as an evolution of style that emerges through experimentation and imitation, becoming uniquely yours over time. Lisa highlights how voice is infused with the author’s personality and reflects their authentic self.
    • Understanding the Editorial Process:
      • Advice on handling editorial letters—read, reflect, highlight, and revisit.
      • The importance of setting ego aside and seeing editors as collaborators.
      • When and how to push back while preserving your voice.
      • Personal experiences with accepting or negotiating changes during revisions.
      • Encouragement to not feel overwhelmed and to treat edits as opportunities for growth.

    Conclusion:
    Beth and Lisa offer real, grounded insight that demystifies the writing and editing journey for emerging authors. Whether you’re figuring out your voice or working through your first editorial letter, this episode is a warm, insightful companion that reminds you—you’re not alone.

    Mentioned Links:

    • Visit: writerswithwrinkles.net
    • Bakery Mention: Andersen Bakery (Copenhagen)
    • Upcoming Guest on June 9: Editor Joel Brigham on fast drafting



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    34 mins
  • ENCORE: Editor Ivan Taurisano talks kidlit and IP
    May 12 2025

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    In this encore edition, Beth and Lisa chat with Ivan Taurisano, Associate Editor at Abrams, who specializes in children's literature and intellectual properties. Ivan shares insider tips on creating standout submissions, navigating the acquisition process, and the evolving trends in middle-grade publishing.

    Guest Bio

    Ivan Taurisano is an Associate Editor at Abrams, specializing in children's licenses and intellectual property. His work includes novelty books, board books, graphic novels, and select MG and YA titles. He has collaborated on several successful series and brands, such as How to Catch, Little Heroes, Big Hearts, Sesame Street, Disney, Tokidoki, and Pokémon. His guiding principle is that a child whose life is transformed by a book is one step closer to becoming an adult who will change the world.

    Key Discussion Points

    1. Submission Essentials: Ivan emphasizes the importance of polished manuscripts, strategic research, and personalized query letters. Authors should highlight why their work fits the editor’s preferences and demonstrate professionalism to make a strong first impression.
    2. Acquisition Process: Ivan demystifies the journey of a manuscript from editorial meetings to marketing evaluations, highlighting what makes or breaks a deal.
    3. Middle-Grade Trends: The market is leaning toward shorter, action-packed, and visually engaging middle-grade books. Writers are encouraged to innovate and break traditional molds to captivate readers.
    4. Social Media & Track Records: While a social media platform isn’t a dealbreaker, it’s a bonus for YA and middle-grade authors. Past sales numbers of debut books are discussed critically during acquisitions, with publishers investigating contributing factors to performance.
    5. Opportunities in Chapter Books: There’s room for new voices in character-driven chapter books, with series potential being a key factor for success.

    Conclusion

    This episode provides actionable advice for aspiring authors to refine their submissions and navigate publishing with confidence. Ivan’s insights, grounded in industry expertise, offer a roadmap for writers seeking to make an impact in children’s literature.




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    37 mins
  • Love, Art & Storytelling in Rome: Brian Selznick on his new novel Run Away With Me
    May 5 2025

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    Episode Summary:
    In this inspiring episode, Beth and Lisa welcome bestselling author and illustrator Brian Selznick to discuss his latest YA novel Run Away With Me. Brian shares how personal history, queer identity, and the haunting beauty of an empty Rome during the pandemic shaped this deeply moving love story.

    Guest Bio:
    Brian Selznick is the Caldecott Medal-winning author of The Invention of Hugo Cabret, which became Martin Scorsese's Oscar-winning film Hugo. His innovative storytelling style blends narrative and illustration, captivating readers of all ages. Selznick’s books have sold millions of copies, been translated into over 35 languages, and include the bestsellers Wonderstruck and The Marvels. He lives in Brooklyn and La Jolla with his husband, Dr. David Serlin.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • Origins of Run Away With Me: Inspired by time spent in a deserted Rome during the pandemic and Brian’s husband's Rome Prize fellowship.
    • Setting the Story in 1986: Chosen for its pre-digital intimacy, connection to Fellini's Intervista, and poignant resonance with the emerging AIDS crisis.
    • YA Shift: This novel marks a shift to older characters and more intimate, emotional themes, including first love and sexual awakening.
    • Illustration vs. Text: Originally intended as a text-only novel, illustrations were later added to immerse readers in Rome and enhance storytelling rhythmically.
    • Building Empathy: Through vulnerability and layered character flaws, Brian explores how readers connect with characters even through their mistakes.
    • Worldbuilding & Pacing: Brian discusses how his illustrations function as visual memory aids, reducing exposition and preserving narrative flow.
    • Film Adaptation Insight: Brian details how Hugo was faithfully adapted by Martin Scorsese, who honored the visual storytelling of the book.

    Conclusion:
    Brian Selznick offers a masterclass in layered storytelling, blending history, personal experience, and imaginative worldbuilding. Run Away With Me is a love letter to young queer love, art, and the haunting beauty of solitude and discovery. This episode is a must-listen for aspiring authors and fans of emotionally resonant fiction.

    Mentioned Links:

    • Run Away With Me by Brian Selznick: Publisher's Page
    • Brian Selznick's website



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    51 mins
  • Writing Scary, Querying Smart: Insider Tips with Agent & Author Carey Blankenship-Kramer
    Apr 28 2025

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    Beth and Lisa sit down with Carey Blankenship-Kramer, literary agent and author of Ghost Scout's Honor, to talk all things publishing—from crafting irresistible query letters to the harsh realities of publishing economics. Carey shares heartfelt insights on the future of middle grade, the evolving horror genre, and what truly makes her heart sing when reading submissions.

    Guest Bio:
    Carey Blankenship-Kramer is a literary agent and author whose debut novel Ghost Scout's Honor (Scholastic, April 2025) is a queer, neurodiverse middle grade horror adventure set in ghost-filled Savannah. Since becoming an agent in 2023, Carey has championed authors across genres, prioritizing marginalized voices. When not agenting or writing, she enjoys tennis, video games, candy, and time with her "small zoo" of pets.

    Key Discussion Points:

    • About Ghost Scout's Honor: A spooky, empowering middle grade debut featuring determined protagonist Evie and her ghostly adventures. Carey combines horror, Southern charm, and inclusivity.
    • Query Letter Insights: Carey emphasizes the importance of a pitch that hooks instantly. Personal stakes, clear comps, and authentic vibes matter most to her.
    • The State of Middle Grade Publishing: Attention spans are down, publishers aren't effectively reaching younger audiences, and shorter, snappier stories are performing better.
    • Industry Challenges: The impact of tariffs, the collapse of Albert Whitman, and the increasing corporatization of publishing are creating financial and emotional challenges for authors.
    • Trends to Watch: Horror and dystopian genres are rising. Carey sees these as reflections of readers processing real-world fears in safe, fictional environments.
    • What Makes Carey’s Heart Sing: Emotional depth layered within horror or fantasy. She seeks stories that offer both escapism and human connection.

    Conclusion:
    This candid conversation offers aspiring authors vital knowledge straight from someone who’s both querying and reading slush piles. Carey’s advice is invaluable for writers like Luna—aspiring novelists navigating today’s unpredictable publishing world. From query do’s and don’ts to genre shifts and emotional resilience, this episode is a must-listen.

    Mentioned Links:

    • Carey's Debut: Ghost Scout's Honor (Scholastic, April 2025)
    • Writers With Wrinkles blog

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    36 mins
  • Writing Origin Stories! Do you have one?
    Apr 14 2025

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    🎙️ Episode Summary:
    In this special "Ask Beth & Lisa" episode of Writers With Wrinkles, Beth McMullen and Lisa Schmid explore the emotional challenges of the current creative climate and share their personal writing origin stories to inspire struggling writers. With humor, heart, and a dash of wine, they offer a candid look at what first ignited their passion to write and how to reconnect with that spark during tough times.

    🔑 Key Discussion Points:

    • Mental health in writing: Beth and Lisa acknowledge the current collective sense of despair among creatives and share strategies for managing anxiety and rediscovering joy in the craft.
    • Funny bookstore tales: Lisa recounts stealthily rearranging books at Barnes & Noble and longing for the perfect shelf placement. Beth shares her “book flipping” technique and the invisible sensor that alerts staff to authors in the wild.
    • Wine and writing therapy: Lisa hilariously shares her obsession with Chateau Ste. Michelle Light Chardonnay and the great unboxing event of her case delivery.
    • Unboxing video spoofing: The duo dives into the unspoken pressure behind book unboxings and how performative moments can feel inauthentic.
    • Their origin stories:
      • Lisa’s journey began after closing down a beloved but overwhelming nonprofit. Her pivot to writing children’s books was rooted in wanting to continue making a difference for kids.
      • Beth’s motivation came from pure spite—a competitive spark after seeing a peer publish a book drove her to finish her first manuscript.
    • Message to writers: Return to the emotional core that first pushed you to write. That original spark can reignite your current writing practice.

    🔚 Conclusion:
    In a time when many writers feel stalled or discouraged, Beth and Lisa remind us that reconnecting with your personal "why" can reignite purpose and momentum. Join the community in their private Facebook group, The Waiting Room: Therapy for Writers, for support and solidarity.

    🔗 Mentioned Links:

    • Join the Facebook group: The Waiting Room: Therapy for Writers
    • Visit: writerswithwrinkles.net



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    40 mins