Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist, sit in Jess's house and continue the discussion started in the previous episode around identity vs behaviour.

What is the difference between who we are and how we behave? Is it different for dogs and people?

Jess and Dawn discuss their unique relationship and skills, and how lucky they are to have crossed paths with each other.

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist, sit in Jess's house catching up on stuff that's happened in the weeks since their last podcast.

The only background noise is from the feisty Bean the black and tan Dachshund who doesn't settle for the whole hour of the podcast, while Jess's other dogs snooze happily.

They begin to explore the concepts of identity vs behaviour (continued in the next episode)

They talk about retreats and residentials, and the difference between trainers looking for 'what' behaviour is, and not necessarily looking at 'why' the behaviour happens. The 'what' is an important first step, but the 'why' must come after to create lasting change.

Once behaviour in a dog has been observed, we need to do a pattern interrupt, to change the state and see what's behind it. After the pattern interrupt, we then need to positively reinforce the new behaviour we want. Dawn also does the pattern interrupt with her clients, getting underneath the behaviour to find where it comes from, and then changing the programming of the brain so that new patterns can form.

Dawn introduces the concept of resting b**ch brain. It's like a resting b**ch face but for the brain!

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Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist, sit in Dawn's car and discuss the latest social media trend where you have to decided if you'd rather be alone in a forest with a bear, or a man.

Dawn was surprised when most people choose bear. What would you choose?

Dawn talks about the theme that clients have where their expectations stop them actually seeing progress - expectation is the killer of progress. And they go on to discuss how this also affects dog owners and the trainers that work with them.

This is also the episode where they talk about their exciting new mentorship programme for dog trainers that will be running in 6 month blocks.

This episode is recorded in Dawn's car so will include the random noises you'd expect of a public setting!

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist are taking a trip to Costco and decide to do a podcast to record their conversation as they drive (Dawn is driving while Jess holds the microphone. All safe!)

Along with the normal meandering conversation, this episode includes a discussion of the difference between Tonic Immobility (as experienced by sharks and chickens when they are upside down, possums and fainting goats, among others) and the Shutdown state. As with everything, the conversation involves exploring how this applies to dogs, and how we can see this in autistic humans. They discuss what we can actually do to help a dog or person in a shutdown state, particularly by activating the parasympathetic nervous system.

They also discuss the favourite topic of labels. Particularly how important it is to treat every individual (dog or human!) based on what you see in front of you. Decision trees can be used to ask the right questions and eliminate things that aren't relevant. So instead of A =B you can instead ask a series of yes or no questions to narrow things down. This can avoid falling into the trap of making assumptions, and of thinking that what you are doing is automatically right just because that is what you were taught.

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist sit in Dawn's car and discuss Jess’s current existential crisis.

Jess discusses the different ways we can see our dogs and how some things are really obvious to her, but tricky to help others see. They explore ideas around how we can see ourselves and our dogs, and the ethical conundrum of doing something short term, that may be unpalatable, but creates permanent and profound change in the dogs - leading to much happier dogs, and humans!

Dawn explains the 3 A’s that she asks her clients to practice:

Awareness (I am in this different state)

Acceptance (of course I’m in this state because…)

Action (what am I actually going to do next)

This allows you to throw away the spiky stick and focus on what’s important. Resilience is not about the absence of a reaction - it’s about speed of recovery.

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist sit in Dawn's car and discuss how different industries all have different 'camps' where each group believes they are doing things the only way that is right.

There is a residential for dog owners happening and there is a videographer attending to put together a documentary about what happens during the week. Jess was surprised to learn that, just like with dog training, there are different camps with different ways of doing things. Each one is critical of the other's approach.

How about we just be curious instead? Open your mind and explore different possibilities. Remember, as Dr. Seuss said " Today you are You, that is truer than true. There is no one alive who is Youer than You"

They also discuss how a dog peeing everywhere is their equivalent of a Social Media post!

And of course they meander through the normal range of random topics during the hour.

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist sit in Tim Hortons and discuss Narcissism and Circles! (The usual random subjects!)

Jess uses 3 circles to describe different states of the dog, and explains how she uses the 3 circles to decide the best course of action. The first is Introspective where the body language is shrinking and closed down. The last is Expansive where it's about exuberant energy. And the middle circle is Grounded

Dawn discusses her version of Steven Covey's circle of influence, where the first level is the Microscope level which you can focus on and directly influence. The next circle out is the Balloon level which you influence but only when you are focussing on it, like blowing up a balloon. And the outer circle is the River level where all you can do is flow with what is happening.

They also discuss how to spot a Narcissist and what that has to do with Social Media - particularly the trolls!

(please note this episode is recorded in Tim Hortons so may have more background noise than a usual podcast)

Dawn Walton, a human therapist, and Jess Probst, a dog behaviourist sit in Tim Hortons and discuss Dawn's recently delivered workshop, which trains up others to do what she does - particularly the Rapid Trauma Reset.

They discuss their unique, and yet remarkably similar approaches, to work with humans and dogs. It's not about judgement. It's not about the story. It's about seeing what is in front of them and helping in the most effective way possible for all concerned.

(please note this episode is recorded in Tim Hortons so may have more background noise than a usual podcast)