• Two Wise Trees Episode 10
    Aug 20 2025

    In which Carly and Audrey discuss Heart Season, how to tolerate the heat and find your purpose.

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 9
    Jul 25 2025

    At the top of this episode Audrey poses an epistemic question: how do we reconcile different ways of knowing? There knowledge that is more based in data, stats, facts, “book learning” (aka internet learning nowadays), and commonly associated with science. And there is knowledge that is based more in intuition, faith, living experience, internal comprehension and commonly associated with religion.

    Both ways of knowing can lead us to the truth, and both ways exist not in conflict but in a relationship on a polarity. Both ways of knowing can also lead to falsehoods, i.e. from science that is corrupted by bias or influence, and religion that is corrupted by dogma and power.

    Astrologically speaking, the data or “science” based way is Mercurial and manifests in the Mercury ruled signs of Gemini and Virgo, characterized by their logic and intelligence. The intuition or “religion” based way is Jupiterian and manifests in Jupiter ruled Sagittarius and Pisces, famous for their affinity to religion and spirituality.

    We take this interesting topic and apply it to tackle the perennial question of “what is up with this relationship that I’m in/want to be in?”

    We look at the charts of a married couple that kindly wrote in to ask about the astrological patterns in their relationship.

    Then we tackle the perennial Virgo question “ How should I structure my daily routine for the best health and harmony?”. We look to the Chinese organ clock which shows the flow of qi throughout the different organs in a 24 hour cycle.

    We go into it in more depth, but basically: be awake and do stuff when it’s light out, rest and sleep and fast when it’s dark out.

    Happy listening!

    Audrey and Carly

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 8
    May 28 2025

    In which we discuss the nature of the Liver/ Gall Bladder, boundaries and Sagittarius.

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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 7
    Apr 2 2025

    In which we answer more listener questions!

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    1 hr and 22 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 6
    Mar 19 2025

    First off, you can now show your appreciation and support by buying us a “coffee” (tea). Thank you for listening and writing in!

    In episode #6 we talk about fibromyalgia to answer a question from a listener who suffers from this painful condition. Fibromyalgia from a Chinese medicine perspective can often be traced back to an injury to the Lung system, the most delicate organ. The physical, energetic, or emotional injury causes a shock and a sort of freezing up of this system, leading to the characteristic generalized pain of fibromyalgia, and then of course affects other organs. We talk about how to allow the grief process to thaw out the shock held by the Lung system, and how this can be supported with good routines and self care.

    Related, we answer a question from a reader about recovering her adrenals after childbirth and also with a history of trauma. This focuses more on the Kidney system, but we also discuss the necessity of taking care of one’s heart space. This same reader shares her birth chart and we look at the configurations of a chart with lots of trines and sextiles, meaning that transits often affect multiple personal planets at once.

    The heart space is also the focus of a question from a reader who is very health-oriented and wanting to find a partner and have that balance of personal space while keeping her heart open. Audrey shares some beautiful readings on the nature of the heart space and we reflect on what it means to cultivate that.

    Our final questions are a bit more straightforward, what foods should be avoided across the board? Hint: refined and processed junk foods. The damage of which can also be mitigated with an overall healthy lifestyle so don’t worry too much.

    Until next time,

    Audrey and Carly

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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 5
    Feb 12 2025

    In this episode we talk about some of our favorite books.

    We also branch into topics related to hierarchal and egalitarian societies and hierarchy in nature, the masculine and feminine dynamic seen in the yin-yang symbol, and touch on a few Scorcese movies. Enjoy!

    Update to add- here is our booklist:

    Audrey:

    The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber

    The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler

    Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer

    Making the Gods Work for You by Caroline Casey

    Carly:

    Chinese medicine/bodywork/health

    • The Spark in the Machine by Dr. Daniel Keown

    • The Expressiveness of the Body and the Divergence of Greek and Chinese Medicine

    • Japanese Classical Acupuncture: Introduction to Meridian Therapy by Shudo Denmai

    • Job’s Body by Deane Juhan

    • Gua Sha: A traditional technique for modern practice by Dr. Arya Nielson

    • Outlive by Dr. Peter Attia

    • Social psychology/socio-political

      • Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss

      • The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt

      • Smokescreen by Kevin Sabat

      • The Price We Pay by Dr. Marty Makary

      • Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life by Luke Burgis

      Religious and Inspirational

      • Canonical Bible

      • Gnostic Bible and other Christian apocrypha

      • Christian mystics- St Theresa of Avila etc

      • Tao Te Jing and Hua Hu Jing

      • Joan of Arc: In Her Own Words

      • Yoga Sutras of Patanjali

      • Idries Shah books on Sufism

      • The Language of Creation

      • Last Temptation of Christ

      Astrology

      • Hellenistic Astrology by Chris Brennan

      • Alan Oken’s Complete Astrology

      • Stephen Arroyo- various

      Poetry

      • Rumi

      • Rainer Maria Rilke

      • Fernando Pessoa (was just introduced to this, so good)

      Uncool/nerdy

      • Harry Potter series

      • Chronicles of Narnia

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 4
    Jan 11 2025

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    In episode #4 we answer a wonderful question from a reader: How does Chinese Medicine/ Astrology help a person find their life path/ purpose?

    Audrey takes the lead on this one and goes into a system of knowing one’s purpose through understanding the combination of the Heavenly Stems and the Earthly Branches. In other words, looking at how the shen, or consciousness intersects with the physical body and physical circumstances we are born into.

    There is also some discussion of how finding balance in the body and mind through this medicine clears the blockages that cloud our connection to our life’s purpose and meaning.

    As far as astrology goes there are several important indicators of life path, some more or less familiar, including the ascendant sign and ruling planet, the midheaven, and Saturn.

    The second question we tackle is “I am curious if Chinese medicine recommends a particular food regimen and/or a consistent intake of herbs based on my chart.”

    This person’s astrology indicated a strong emphasis on the sign of Libra and the planet Venus. so we delved a bit into the importance of balance, harmony, and paying attention to the rhythms of the day and the seasons.

    Thanks for reading and listening!

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • Two Wise Trees Episode 3
    Dec 1 2024
    Support our efforts at: buymeacoffee.com/twowisetrees In episode #3 of Two Wise Trees we answer the following questions: How to deal with a UTI from a Chinese medicine perspective? How does acupuncture work from a scientific perspective? Is it true that certain astrology signs have problems with the same body part? For example Pisces relates to the feet? How does too much time on computer/ phones/ tablets affect the body from a Chinese medicine/ astrological perspective? We also address 2 bonus astrology questions: astrological timing for a business transition, and the anaretic degree of a planet in a natal chart. Stay tuned!
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    1 hr and 7 mins