Recorded right after the budget bill was voted in, first Lisa and Kari have their feelings then they realize this episode is more important than ever. They explore why play matters for adults—especially during times of stress and uncertainty. From spontaneous laughter to imaginative role-playing, play isn’t just a luxury—it’s vital for connection, healing, and mental health. Drawing on research from experts like Stuart Brown and the Blatners, they unpack why adults often resist play and how we can reconnect with our playful selves. With personal stories and thoughtful questions, they invite listeners to remember the kind of fun that once lit them up—and maybe still could.

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Kari and Lisa had other plans for this week’s episode—but the world felt too heavy to ignore. They returned to Isabel Wilkerson’s Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents because it offers something essential right now: a way to understand the invisible structure beneath so much of the chaos, cruelty, and division we’re witnessing. In this conversation, they break down key ideas from the book, reflect on their own roles in the system, and connect the dots between caste and current events—from ICE raids to economic inequality to the enforcement of social hierarchies through fear and policy. This episode is about seeing what’s really holding us back—and deciding what we’re willing to do about it.

Learn more about and read Caste, by Isabel Wilkerson

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In this episode, Kari and Lisa revisit the familiar concept of love languages—but with a much-needed upgrade. Drawing from personal experience, recent articles about research, and a sharp cultural critique, they unpack why the original framework, while helpful, doesn’t fully reflect the emotional realities women live today. They explore what’s missing—like mental load relief, shared enthusiasm, and alone time without guilt—and offer a richer, more honest take on how love is felt, expressed, and received in midlife and beyond. This is a conversation about expanding connection, not narrowing it—and evolving what love looks like now.

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Everyone’s feeling some level of stress about money in these uncertain times, so Kari and Lisa brought back financial well-being coach JD Rose—whose work is all about empowering women to shift their relationship with money. In this episode, they explore why financial struggle often isn’t about budgeting, but about safety, capacity, and the deeper stories we’ve internalized. JD shares meaningful, grounded ways to begin healing those stories and offers a fresh, compassionate perspective on what it really means to feel resourced.

Learn more and/or connect with JD Rose:

allaboutease@gmail.com

https://www.theresourcedwoman.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jd-rose/

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In this episode, Lisa and Kari take on the topic of rejection—not as a dead end, but as an opportunity to learn, grow, and realign. They share powerful examples of women who turned rejection into redirection, along with coaching insights and personal reflections on how to reframe rejection as feedback instead of failure. For a fun change, they recorded this one together in person, and the energy shows. It’s real, it’s thoughtful, and it just might shift how you see your next “no.”

If you’re ready for a big YES….

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In this episode of The Things We Know, hosts Kari and Lisa engage with sustainability trailblazer Maria Dowd from Dowd Solar Group, uncovering her remarkable journey from pioneering women's empowerment events to revolutionizing solar energy. Tune in to discover how smart, renewable energy choices transform communities and empower women to take control of their futures. Kari and Lisa dive into actionable insights on sustainable practices—from practical tips on reducing energy costs to inspiring ideas on how to be eco-chic, proving you can still be a fashionista who makes planet-friendly choices. You'll walk away with at least one simple, doable step to kickstart your journey toward a more vibrant, sustainable, and empowered future.

More about Maria Dowd:

https://dowdsolargroup.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariadowd/

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In this episode, Lisa and Kari welcome back their friend and past guest Sherry Turner to share her powerful story of resilience after losing her home in the Palisades fire earlier this year. Together, they reflect on the devastation of the January fires in Los Angeles, the myths that circulated in the media, and the often-overlooked stories of everyday people who faced loss and stepped into rebuilding. Sherry speaks candidly about her faith, grief, and transformation—from feeling like a refugee to embracing the role of a rebuilder. This heartfelt conversation honors the strength of community, the enduring power of hope, and what it means to turn tragedy into a new chapter.

Resources and donation links:

• Red Cross: redcross.org
  
  

• LA community support: lacity.gov/lastrong
  
  

• Quantum Queen Activation Bundle (supporting fire survivors): https://quantumqueenlive.com/quantumqueen

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In this episode, Kari and Lisa sit down with Molly Biehl Corbin, a certified life and career coach whose work on forgiveness has touched lives across communities and continents. Molly shares how a very public and devastating personal loss became the catalyst for her decades-long exploration of forgiveness—not as a passive ideal, but as a powerful tool for healing and transformation. Drawing from her academic background and lived experience, Molly introduces her SHIFT technology, a practical framework that helps people move from suffering to freedom. Together, they explore the myths we carry about forgiveness, the emotional and societal cost of holding on to pain, and the surprising peace that comes when we choose to let go. This conversation is a moving invitation to rethink what it means to forgive—not for others, but for ourselves.

More about Molly:

https://www.mollybiehl.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/molly-biehl/

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