In this episode, I’m unpacking the real fear keeping women glued to Instagram - and why breaking up with the platform doesn’t mean disappearing.

If you’ve been quietly wondering whether you could grow without Instagram… this one’s for you.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why Instagram creates dependency (not diversification)
• The difference between performative visibility and relational growth
• Why connection compounds but content expires
• How rooms, email, and community build predictable revenue
• What it actually means to “break up” with Instagram

Links & Resources:

• Join the Breaking Up With Instagram Challenge: https://www.skool.com/online-biz-growth/about
• Listen to my Skool experiment episode: https://kyliekelly.com/my-skool-experiment/

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Today I’m joined by SEO specialist Laura Jawad, who helps female service providers grow their audience and fill their client roster, without relying on social media.

In this episode, we break down how to use SEO and your website to grow your email list with aligned, high-intent traffic that actually converts. If you’ve ever felt like social media is doing the most… for the least return - this conversation will change how you think about visibility forever.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why SEO is a powerful pull marketing strategy (and how it differs from social media)
• How to see what keywords are already driving traffic to your website
• Why most websites attract the wrong traffic - and how to fix it
• How long SEO really takes (and what speeds it up)
• How to turn website traffic into email subscribers
• Where to place opt-ins on your blog and homepage for maximum conversion
• How SEO builds trust before someone joins your email list

Guest Spotlight: Laura Jawad

Laura Jawad is an SEO specialist who supports female service providers, coaches, and consultants who want to grow their audience and book clients without relying on social media.

🎧 Grab her free SEO Kickstart Kit, a collection of step-by-step checklists to help you optimise your website and attract right-fit traffic.

Links & Resources:

• Laura’s Website
• SEO Kickstart Kit

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In this episode, I’m sharing the unexpected lessons from my Skool community experiment - why it’s sparked deeper conversations in days than I’ve had in years, and what it’s reminded me about connection, trust, and sustainable growth.

This isn’t about platforms.
It’s about depth over noise and building businesses that actually feel good to run.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why small rooms create deeper trust than big audiences
• How accessibility beats attendance when it comes to connection
• Why email still matters - and how community expands it
• The role fun plays in sustainable business growth
• How to build depth without burning yourself out

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In this episode, I’m sharing why I stopped sending traditional multi-email welcome sequences altogether, and what I do instead to create connection, trust, and momentum from the very first email someone opens.

Because here’s the thing: your audience isn’t confused. They’re not unsophisticated. And they definitely know when they’ve entered a funnel.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why the delivery email is usually the most-opened email you’ll ever send
• What’s actually happening with inbox behaviour as we move into 2026
• How one “Start Here” email can replace an entire welcome sequence
• What to include in that email so it builds trust and invites action
• Why treating subscribers like adults leads to better long-term results

Resources Mentioned:

• The “Start Here” email template
• Episode 230: How Julie Tripled Her Income in 60 Days by Finally Getting Strategic Support

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We’re talking about what happens when your business is being run from a clenched fist and why real growth, clarity, and momentum only come when you soften your grip and lead with intention instead of pressure.

If you’ve felt like “just another number” after investing deeply… or if your business feels heavier than it should right now -

This episode is for you.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why overworking often comes before burnout
• How being “loyal” to the wrong container can quietly stall your growth
• The difference between effort and expansion and why pressure isn’t the answer
• What a clenched fist vs an open hand looks like in business leadership
• How to rebuild trust with yourself after a disappointing investment
• Why safety, compassion, and integrity matter more than hype in long-term growth

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If your email list feels quieter than usual right now, you’re not imagining it, but it’s probably not a problem either.

In this episode, I’m breaking down what’s actually happening in inboxes in January, why engagement often dips at the start of the year, and why panic-pivoting your strategy right now can do more harm than good.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why January email engagement often feels flat (and why that’s normal)
• What not to change when your list feels quiet
• How inbox behaviour shifts at the start of the year
• Why simplifying and recalibrating is a sign of leadership, not failure
• How to re-establish trust and rhythm with your email list without pushing harder

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Today’s episode is a little different.

Instead of a teaching episode, I’m sharing a real, honest conversation with one of my clients - Julie C. Butler, a virtual summit coach who helps women grow their audience without relying on social media.

Julie opens up about what it really felt like to be “doing everything right” but still feeling stuck and what changed once she stopped trying to figure it all out alone and got strategic support that actually matched where she was in business.

If you’ve been feeling capable-but-stuck, this episode will land.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why having all the pieces doesn’t always equal momentum
• The danger of trying to self-coach your way through a plateau
• What shifted after Julie attended the Empire Expansion Event
• How strategy + support led to fast, sustainable growth
• What it really feels like to have a coach in your corner

Guest Spotlight: Julie C. Butler
Julie C. Butler is a virtual summit coach based in Ottawa, Canada. She helps women grow their audience, build relationships, and create momentum through virtual summits, without relying on social media or constant content creation.

Julie's website: https://juliecbutler.com

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Today I’m joined by email automation strategist and deliverability expert Cheryl Rerick to unpack one of the most overlooked parts of email marketing - what happens after someone joins your list.

In this episode, we talk about how evergreen email sequences help you nurture subscribers long-term, sell without burnout, and stop relying solely on launches to make money.

If you’ve ever thought “I should be doing more with my email list… but I don’t know what,” this conversation is your roadmap.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why most email lists aren’t cold - they’re under-nurtured
• What evergreen email sequences actually are [and what they’re not]
• Why customer research matters more than copy tricks
• How to choose the right offer to sell on automation
• How to repeat your core message without boring yourself to death

Guest Spotlight: Cheryl Rerick
Cheryl Rerick is an email strategist, automation engineer, and deliverability expert who helps online business owners turn their email list into a long-term sales engine. She specialises in evergreen email sequences that nurture, connect, and convert, without hustle or hype.

Links & Resources:
Cheryl's website: https://cherylrerick.com
Time To Conversion Calculator: https://cherylrerick.com/calculator-df/

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