In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, host Lloyd Knight welcomes Army Public Affairs Hall of Famer Gail McCabe. Gail shares her journey from working in Hollywood to becoming one of the Army’s first civilian broadcast journalists. She reflects on covering missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, including two attacks that earned her the Defense of Freedom Medal. Her stories, from tank competitions in Germany to humanitarian efforts in war zones, highlight the power of journalism to preserve history and honor sacrifice.

Now retired, Gail continues her storytelling through her company, CreativeMediaMatters. She talks about the emotional impact of covering conflict, the lessons she’s carried with her, and why helping others understand the human side of military service still drives her today.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(00:36) Meet Gail McCabe: A hall of famer’s journey

(01:07) Gail’s early life and love story

(02:23) From Hollywood to the Army

(05:14) Broadcast journalism and covering the military

(06:55) Covering sports and community stories

(08:41) Desert Storm and humanitarian missions

(17:16) The first defense of freedom medal

(28:44) Medical missions in remote areas

(30:56) An unexpected attack and its aftermath

(38:26) Humanitarian missions around the world

(42:41) Gail’s transition to civilian life

(52:36) Career highlights and recognitions

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• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Connect with Gail McCabe: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gailmccabe/
• Learn more about CreativeMediaMatters: https://creativemediamatters.com/
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In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, Lloyd Knight sits down with U.S. Navy veteran and entrepreneur Alex Witt, CEO of Battle Bars. From sleeping on metal grating in Iraq to building a multi-million-dollar logistics business—and walking away from it all—Alex shares the path that led him to start a mission-driven brand focused on integrity, nostalgia, and purpose.

Alex opens up about joining the Navy just before 9/11, the sense of guilt that pushed him to deploy, and the turning point that came after the tragic loss of a close friend. That heartbreak would eventually lead to a new purpose through Battle Bars, a company rooted in veteran values and a commitment to doing things differently.

From making sales calls and shipping orders himself to building partnerships with Barstool Sports and Lifetime Fitness, Alex offers powerful insights into what it takes to lead with passion, resilience, and authenticity on and off the battlefield.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(01:43) Chicago and Cubs fandom

(05:08) Military journey begins

(07:24) Bootcamp and 9/11 experience

(09:09) Deployment to Spain

(12:27) Transition to mobile security

(13:17) Deployment to Iraq

(17:25) Post-military career beginnings

(23:12) A life-changing tragedy

(23:59) A new path: From business to fulfillment

(25:14) The birth of Battle Bars

(26:13) Challenges and triumphs in the protein bar market

(27:43) Innovative flavors and partnerships

(35:30) Expanding the business

(37:46) Supporting veterans and future plans

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• Learn more about our hosts: https://supplychainnow.com/about
• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Connect with Alex Witt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-witt-6a7a8b7a/
• Learn more about Battle Bars: https://battlebars.com/
• Learn more about 104010 Fitness: https://www.104010fitness.com/
• Learn more about Supply Chain Now: https://supplychainnow.com
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Tango Tango is proudly sponsored by Supply Chain Now. For additional information, please visit our dedicated show page at: https://supplychainnow.com/battle-bars-alex-witt-1tt9

In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, hosts Lloyd Knight and Scott W. Luton discuss workplace culture, one of the most overlooked elements of career success. From defining what culture really means to sharing hard truths about toxic environments, Lloyd draws on over 14 years of experience teaching culture to veterans and corporate teams. They talk about why many job seekers overlook culture, how leadership can affect your health, and what signs to look for when evaluating a company.

Lloyd also shares stories from his own transition from the Air Force to UPS, including how outdated policies had to evolve to attract and retain top talent. Whether you’re a veteran preparing to enter the civilian workforce or a leader trying to improve team performance, this episode offers real-world examples, personal lessons, and a powerful reminder that culture isn’t a perk, it’s a priority.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(01:15) Defining workplace culture

(02:59) Formal definition of workplace culture

(03:38) Implied vs. expressly defined culture

(04:07) Constructive dissatisfaction at UPS

(05:05) The impact of toxic work environments

(06:43) Advice for job seekers

(08:48) The role of recognition in employee performance

(09:42) Veteran retention in corporate america

(10:28) The impact of management on employee health

(13:14) Handling toxic work environments

(14:22) Why workplace culture matters

(16:48) Elements impacting workplace culture

(24:12) Characteristics of amazing workplace cultures

(29:26) The unique roster of guests

Additional Links & Resources:

• Learn more about Tango Tango: https://supplychainnow.com/program/tango-tango
• Learn more about our hosts: https://supplychainnow.com/about
• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Learn more about VETLANTA: https://vetlanta.org
• Learn more about Supply Chain Now: https://supplychainnow.com
• Work with us! Download Supply Chain Now’s Media Kit: https://bit.ly/3XH6OVk

Tango Tango is proudly sponsored by Supply Chain Now. For additional information, please visit our dedicated show page at: https://supplychainnow.com/why-workplace-culture-matters-more-paycheck-1tt8

In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, host Lloyd Knight welcomes Lacy Gunnoe, director of wellbeing at Camp Southern Ground and a fellow Air Force veteran. Lacy shares his journey from growing up in rural West Virginia to becoming a pilot and instructor in the Air Force, flying everything from the T-37 tweet to KC-135 tankers. He opens up about the challenges and rewards of military life, deployments, and the leadership lessons that shaped his path.

Lacy then takes us behind the scenes at Camp Southern Ground, a unique nonprofit founded by musician Zac Brown with a vision of inclusion and healing. He explains how the camp serves veterans and children with innovative programs rooted in wellbeing, post-traumatic growth, and community. From the sustainable facilities and organic gardens to life-changing activities and personalized support, Lacy reveals how this special place is transforming lives and helping veterans find new purpose beyond the uniform.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(01:10) Lacy’s upbringing in rural West Virginia

(02:00) Finding his path through ROTC and his uncle’s mentorship

(03:15) Life as a KC-135 pilot and T-37 instructor

(06:00) Deployments, camaraderie, and the tanker community

(10:50) Leaving active duty and discovering the Guard

(13:10) The decision to separate and focus on family

(14:50) Volunteering and the road to Camp Southern Ground

(17:00) Zac Brown’s vision and how the camp began

(18:45) Warrior Week and post-traumatic growth

(20:15) Holistic veteran support: career, purpose, and wellbeing

(22:00) Family Camps and connecting through play

(25:00) The camp’s design, facilities, and intentional legacy

(27:00) Culinary excellence and the healing power of food

(29:00) Garden therapy and organic nutrition

(31:00) Rebuilding trust, identity, and purpose post-service

(34:30) Real-life impact and stories of transformation

(37:00) How to support Camp Southern Ground

Additional Links & Resources:

• Learn more about Tango Tango: https://supplychainnow.com/program/tango-tango
• Learn more about our hosts: https://supplychainnow.com/about
• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Connect with Lacy Gunnoe: www.linkedin.com/in/lacygunnoe
• Learn more about Camp Southern Ground: www.campsouthernground.org
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Tango Tango is proudly sponsored by Supply Chain Now. For additional information, please visit our dedicated show page at: https://supplychainnow.com/camp-southern-ground-1tt7

In this episode of Tango Tango, Scott Luton and Lloyd Knight explore the importance of personal branding for job seekers, veterans transitioning into civilian careers, and professionals aiming to boost their visibility. Whether you’re new to the job market, or looking to stand out at a job fair, personal branding is a crucial tool to differentiate yourself from the competition.

They talk about how personal branding helps you stand out in a crowded job market and establishes credibility and trust with potential employers. From perfecting your elevator pitch to managing your LinkedIn profile, Lloyd provides practical tips on how to make a lasting impression.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(01:10) The importance of personal branding

(01:30) Transitioning from military to civilian careers

(03:39) Key elements of personal branding

(04:45) Standing out in job applications

(07:43) The role of online presence

(09:33) Defining your personal brand

(14:03) Three key tips for personal branding

(21:25) The power of storytelling

(23:57) Upcoming live podcasts and engagement

(28:51) The origins of Tango Tango

Additional Links & Resources:

• Learn more about Tango Tango: https://supplychainnow.com/program/tango-tango
• Learn more about our hosts: https://supplychainnow.com/about
• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Learn more about Vetlanta: https://vetlanta.org
• Learn more about Knight Work: https://knightwork.us/
• Check out Lloyd’s book Knight Work on Amazon (re-release coming soon): https://www.amazon.com/Knight-Work-Unfinished-Journey-VETLANTA/dp/1662874464
• Learn more about Supply Chain Now: https://supplychainnow.com
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Tango Tango is proudly sponsored by Supply Chain Now. For additional information, please visit our dedicated show page at: https://supplychainnow.com/top-tips-personal-branding-1tt6

In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, host Lloyd Knight sits down with Steve Prince, a U.S. Army veteran and founder of Warrior Set Free. Steve takes us through his deeply personal journey from his struggles with discipline in his early years to his transformative experiences in the military and the profound lessons he's learned along the way.

Steve reflects on his path to joining the Army, driven by a need for discipline, college funding, and a desire to belong to something meaningful. He shares the pain of growing up without a father, whose suicide when Steve was five left a lasting impact. This loss shaped his life and drove him to the military, where he would face trials and triumphs alike.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(00:50) Steve Prince and his life’s journey

(08:24) Challenges and forgiveness

(10:32) Career setbacks and lessons learned

(17:12) Transition to civilian life and ministry

(24:45) Introduction to warrior freedom appointments

(25:05) Presenting the gospel

(26:49) Confession, repentance, and forgiveness

(29:08) The freedom appointment experience

(31:49) Warrior's battle and hero's return

(34:46) Personal stories and testimonials

(38:36) Reflection and future plans

Additional Links & Resources:

• Learn more about Tango Tango: https://supplychainnow.com/program/tango-tango
• Learn more about our hosts: https://supplychainnow.com/about
• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Connect with Steve Prince: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-prince-4780575/
• Learn more about Supply Chain Now: https://supplychainnow.com
• Work with us! Download Supply Chain Now’s Media Kit: https://bit.ly/3XH6OVk

Tango Tango is proudly sponsored by Supply Chain Now. For additional information, please visit our dedicated show page at: https://supplychainnow.com/from-soldier-healer-warriors-set-free-1tt5

In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, host Lloyd Knight welcomes retired four-star General John Handy, former Commander of U.S. Transportation Command and Air Mobility Command. With a career that spanned nearly four decades, General Handy shares his journey from humble beginnings in Raleigh, North Carolina, to becoming one of the highest-ranking leaders in the U.S. Air Force.

General Handy opens up about how a love for aviation shaped his path, the life-altering crash that rerouted his early career, and the leadership lessons forged in Vietnam and beyond. He reflects on the value of mentorship, the meaning of service, and why every day is a blessing. From flying the C-130 to commanding global logistics operations post-9/11, Handy’s story is one of grit, humility, and lifelong purpose.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(02:00) Early life and education

(07:15) Joining the Air Force

(18:18) Vietnam war experiences

(23:52) Post-Vietnam assignments

(28:01) New Zealand exchange program

(35:52) Transition to programming and logistics

(36:48) Assignment at Ryan Mine

(38:43) Charleston and strategic airlift

(44:07) Pentagon assignments and promotions

(50:25) Dual roles at Scott Air Force Base

(58:18) Retirement and civilian career

(01:09:50) Reflections and personal interests

Additional Links & Resources:

• Learn more about Tango Tango: https://supplychainnow.com/program/tango-tango
• Learn more about our hosts: https://supplychainnow.com/about
• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Connect with John Handy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-handy-51242822
• Learn more about Supply Chain Now: https://supplychainnow.com

Tango Tango is proudly sponsored by Supply Chain Now. For additional information, please visit our dedicated show page at: https://supplychainnow.com/cargo-pilot-four-star-general-1tt4

In this episode of the Tango Tango podcast, host Lloyd Knight sits down with Pat McNamara, a retired Delta Force operator, small business owner, creator of Basic Dude Stuff, and the ultimate champion of resilience. Mac opens up about his journey from elite military operations to navigating darkness after service, revealing the deeply personal story behind his second lease on life.

Listeners get a raw look at the highs and lows of Pat’s career, from failing Special Forces training to becoming one of the top performers in Delta. But the most gripping moments come after the battlefield, when he’s living in a bonus room above his garage, caring for his kids, and battling depression and burnout. It was a moment with his son and a screech owl that sparked the turnaround, and a single run that helped him remember who he was.

This isn’t just a story about combat. It’s a story of fatherhood, recovery, discipline, and the choice to grow. From surviving a towed parachute jump to creating a children’s show rooted in curiosity and wonder, Pat’s journey is a lesson in how warriors heal, rebuild, and give back.

Jump into the conversation:

(00:00) Intro

(01:16) Meeting Rebecca and getting a second lease on life

(04:25) Growing up in Connecticut and love for the outdoors

(06:24) Wrestling, discipline, and turning around high school

(09:02) Joining the Army and choosing Special Forces

(10:30) The Q Course and failing first phase

(14:00) Training in weapons and unconventional warfare

(17:02) Parachute school and surviving a towed jump injury

(23:18) Returning to training and pushing through setbacks

(27:00) Spying on the Soviet army during the Cold War

(30:42) Trying out for Delta and breaking his ankle

(33:30) Leveling up and self-governance in Delta

(36:00) Missions in Bosnia and the mindset of preparation

(39:43) Retiring to care for his kids

(41:00) Transitioning, depression, and personal breakdown

(44:00) The turning point with his son and a screech owl

(46:21) Reclaiming discipline with a 6AM run

(50:00) Cop's life-changing advice and moving forward

(52:00) Reconnecting with Rebecca

(53:15) Battling chronic illness and finding natural healing

(57:30) Why Mac embraced social media and stayed authentic

(58:50) Creating Basic Dude Stuff and building a kids' show

(01:02:30) Inspiring kids through curiosity and nature

(01:07:32) Muscle cars, craftsmanship, and honoring legacy

(01:13:23) Building a multifaceted business post-military

(01:16:03) Invader Coffee and the power of quality over gimmicks

(01:17:22) Mac’s advice for struggling veterans

Additional Links & Resources:

• Connect with Lloyd Knight: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloydknight
• Connect with Pat McNamara: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-mcnamara-267aa819/
• Learn more about Tango Tango: https://supplychainnow.com/program/tango-tango
• Learn more about Supply Chain Now: https://supplychainnow.com
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