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Our hosts, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing, dive deep into a counterintuitive training philosophy sparked by their recent interview with Petra Ford: sometimes accepting imperfection creates better performance in complex behavior chains.

The conversation began with Petra's story about reinforcing her dog even when she knew it wasn't sitting perfectly square. When working on complex detection behaviors, trying to perfect every element simultaneously can destroy the bigger picture. As Robin notes with her recall-refine work over 600 feet of varied terrain, if she withheld reinforcement because her dog's elbows weren't perfectly down, she'd be punishing extraordinary effort over a minor detail.

Crystal's breakthrough came through Denise Fenzi's exercise that forced her to reward every single repetition—even mistakes. When her dog Checkmate downed instead of sitting, Crystal still had to reward it. "I thought it would ruin my training," she admits, "but instead it ruined my frustration." The exercise revealed that her dogs were trying harder than she'd realized. They weren't being disobedient; they were navigating the learning process.

The Dames of Detection emphasize balance throughout. Yes, reward imperfect efforts when building complex chains or working through challenging problems. But don't reside there permanently—sloppy chains help no one. The key is reading patterns: one mistake is information, three times becomes a training issue to address.

Every attempt provides valuable information. Whether working detection, obedience, or protection sports, dogs need to feel free to try without fear of shutdown. When handlers create that emotional safety through strategic reinforcement—even of imperfect attempts—dogs develop the grit and resilience needed for complex work.

Key Topics:

• Petra Ford's Philosophy on Complex Behavior Chains (00:59)
• Recall-Refine Over Distance: When Good Enough is Great (02:52)
• Teaching Scent Theory vs. Perfect Alerts (05:00)
• Crystal's Breakthrough: Rewarding Every Repetition (12:33)
• Building Duration Behaviors (22:41)
• Reading Patterns vs. One-Off Mistakes (36:20)
• Final Takeaways on Clarity and Balance (41:51)

Resources:

• K9 Detection Collaborative Episode 142: Talking Training with Petra Ford Pt 1
• K9 Detection Collaborative Episode 143: Talking Training with Petra Ford Pt 2

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Our hosts, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing, do a deep dive into their recent Intentional Handling and Hide Setting camp where, during a sweltering week in Iowa, seventeen detection dog teams discovered how unconscious body positioning can make or break a search!

The breakthrough moment came on Thursday during an outdoor search. A handler, diligently following instructions to avoid "going full frontal" on hides, had positioned herself away from the actual hide, directly facing an odor pool instead. Her dog searched frantically in that pool, unable to solve the problem.

"I want you to go full frontal on the hide," Robin instructed, breaking her own rule. Without saying another word to the dog, the handler simply shifted her feet toward the actual hide location. The dog immediately moved to source and alerted.

This demonstration crystallized the camp's core philosophy: intentional handling means making conscious decisions about every movement.

As Stacy explains, "It's about purposeful handling in a way that supports the independence and autonomy of the dog, but in a way that's also making the search effective and efficient."

The sweet spot lies between abdicating responsibility—just following your dog around—and micromanaging to the point where the dog loses all autonomy.

Crystal's Six C's framework provided the mental component. When handlers move with purpose, dogs search with confidence. But intention goes beyond physical positioning. It also shapes how handlers approach each search mentally. Starting with curiosity allowed students to observe without judgment, opening them to discoveries about their own unconscious patterns.

The camp's structure reinforced these lessons through repetition. Watching 34 team runs of identical problems revealed how subtle handler movements created dramatically different search patterns. Aged hides, left for 24-36 hours, produced disconnected odor pools that challenged even experienced teams. One hide in a hay field, placed nowhere near any landmark, forced dogs to use pure scenting ability rather than visual triangulation.

By week's end, handlers learned to track coverage areas while reading airflow patterns, leaving their dogs free to locate odor.

Key Topics:

• Crystal's Six C's Framework (03:33)
• The Full Frontal Demonstration (15:44)
• Defining “Intentional Handling” (18:06)
• Handler Movement Restrictions Exercise (30:36)
• Aged Hides and Disconnected Odor Pools (39:23)
• Hay Field Hide Challenge (45:11)
• Final Takeaways on Intention and Gratitude (49:24)

Resources:

• Intentional Handling (image mentioned in episode)

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• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
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“We’re always inspired by the students and all the hard work that goes on. It blows my mind every single year.”

Today, our hosts, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing, reflect on their recent experience at Distraction Camp 2025, where handlers and dogs from across the country gathered on Robin's Iowa farm to build deeper relationships through the chaos of real-world distractions.

This year's breakthrough came from an unexpected source: cats. The rallying cry “I like cats” (a Crystal original) turned into a reminder to not push your dog to engage but instead allow them to choose connection. When one handler kept insisting her dog play while the dog clearly felt overwhelmed, Crystal asked about her cats. As the handler described her Norwegian cat, her dog—suddenly ignored—began seeking attention, eventually jumping up with a playful “boop” as if to say, “Hey, I'm here too!”

Sometimes we need to step back and let our dogs actively choose us, rather than desperately pursuing their attention. Like cats, we can be interesting without being overly available, which means creating pull instead of push in our relationships.

Throughout the week, handlers learned to advocate fiercely for their dogs, making training decisions based on what each individual needed rather than following a one-size-fits-all approach. Students chose different starting positions, modified exercises, and even sat out searches when their dogs weren't ready—something rarely seen at training seminars.

The diversity was something else: Cavalier King Charles Spaniels worked alongside Chesapeakes and Pomeranians, each requiring different approaches. One handler discovered her dog's love of bubbles could replace his obsession with "summer snow" (cottonwood fluff). In other words, a distraction was turned into a powerful reinforcer. Another handler learned to read her sensitive dog's signals through a ball-carrying ritual that communicated “I feel safe now.”

By week's end, the transformation was visible in both species. As one student suggested, they should rename it “Relationship Camp,” because when the handler-dog connection is strong, it’s easy to conquer distractions!

Key Topics:

• The “I Like Cats” Philosophy: Creating Pull vs. Push (04:04)
• Student Advocacy: Learning to Make Training Decisions (23:50)
• Individual Approaches for Different Breeds and Personalities (29:37)
• Building Confidence Through Safe Spaces (34:39)
• Creative Reinforcement: What Does Your Dog Love? (37:24)
• Camp Logistics and Amazing Support Staff (43:45)
• Key Takeaways (44:30)

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com