What if tending to your own needs is one of the holiest things you can do?

In this deeply grounding episode of Hard & Holy, Cass sits down with Aundi Kolber: bestselling author, licensed professional counselor, and trauma-informed therapist—to talk about her newest release, Take What You Need: Soft Words for Hard Days.

Together they unpack how trauma can disconnect us from our God-given needs, why an embodied faith doesn’t bypass our emotions, and how compassionate boundaries create room for real connection.

Listen in to explore:

• How unaddressed trauma scrambles our internal “need detectors” and what healing can look like.
• Practical ways to practice self-compassion that overflow into loving others well.
• The surprising link between boundaries and belonging.
• Why healing is both present-tense care and gentle attention to the past.
• Aundi’s go-to “soft words” for the days that feel anything but soft.

If you’ve ever felt guilty for having needs—or unsure how to name them—this conversation will feel like a warm, steady hand on your shoulder. Grab a cozy drink, press play, and let’s take what we need… together.

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In this heartfelt and honest conversation, I’m joined by Brenna Blain—wife, mom, Contemporary Theologian, and author of the bestselling book Can I Say That? How Unsafe Questions Lead Us to the Real God.

Together, we dive into the taboo topics the church often avoids: Doubt, Mental Health, Sexuality, and the Real God Who Meets Us There.

Brenna shares her personal journey from black-and-white theology student to a voice for trauma-informed, biblically grounded compassion. She opens up about her experiences with mental illness, same-sex attraction, and the messy, beautiful tension of faith and lived experience.

We talk about how the church can unintentionally wound those already hurting—and how scripture, when approached with care and honesty, can move from wounding to healing.

If you’ve ever asked yourself: “Can I say that?” — this conversation will remind you: you’re not alone, and God can handle your questions.

We cover:

• Why asking hard questions isn’t a threat to faith
• How to engage scripture with honesty and compassion
• Why trauma-informed theology matters
• How faith intersects with mental health and sexuality
• Experiencing God in the midst of personal struggle

Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussions of mental health, suicidal ideation, drug overdose, and trauma. Please listen with care.

Connect with Brenna:

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In this powerful episode of Hard & Holy, Cassandra sits down with friend, prayer warrior, and fellow Denver Seminary student Cheryl Luke to talk about the holy tension of knowing when it’s time to go. Whether it's stepping away from a church, job, ministry, or relationship, discerning when to leave is never easy but it can be holy.

With over 45 years in ministry, Cheryl shares her personal journey of leaving a beloved church community after 30 years of faithful service. She unpacks the emotional complexity of that decision, the grief and clarity it brought, and how to leave well—with integrity, love, and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Cheryl Luke is a speaker, coach, podcast host, and seminary student pursuing her Master of Arts in Biblical and Theological Studies. She’s the visionary behind The Mosaic Life, a nonprofit equipping leaders to live with intention and purpose. With decades of leadership experience, including her role as National Director for Cultural Communities with Celebrate Recovery, Cheryl is known for her ability to foster community, create space for healing, and empower people—especially people of color—through recovery and restoration.

Together, Cassandra and Cheryl discuss:

• How to discern when God is calling you to leave a space that once felt like home
• The difference between leaving with bitterness and leaving with blessing
• Why obedience to the Holy Spirit sometimes looks like disappointing people
• How to care for relationships and community even in your leaving
• What Cheryl wishes more leaders understood about longevity and surrender
• A prayer for those standing at the edge of transition, longing for courage and clarity

This episode is a companion for anyone wrestling with what’s next and wondering if it’s okay to let go.

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In this gripping episode of Hard & Holy, bestselling author and speaker Mary Marantz joins Cass for a vulnerable conversation about what it means to feel underestimated—by others, by life, and even by yourself.

Mary is the first in her immediate family to go to college, a Yale Law School graduate, and the host of The Mary Marantz Show, where she shares powerful stories of grit, grace, and gospel truth.

Drawing from her newest book, Underestimated: The Surprisingly Simple Shift to Quit Playing Small, Name the Fear, and Move Forward Anyway, Mary shares what it feels like to be the girl in the red cape, running from the big bad wolf of fear, survival mode, and burnout.

They talk about the invisible rulebook everyone else seems to have, the ache of not measuring up, and the unexpected freedom that comes when you finally stop trying to prove your worth and start living from it instead.

If you’ve ever felt underestimated—even by yourself—or caught in a cycle of self-sabotage you can’t quite name —this episode is for you.

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Which Mary Marantz Message is Yours?
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In this heartfelt episode of Hard & Holy, Cass sits down with Cleere Reeves, special needs mother, entrepreneur, host of Let's Be Cleere podcast, and author of Revive: Declarations of God's Truth To Renew Your Spirit.

They dive into a rich conversation about the beauty and burden of caregiving, the loneliness that can come with ministry and motherhood, and the intentionality it takes to both give and receive grace. Cleere shares what led her to write Revive, and the ways declaring truth has changed how she walks through hard seasons.

This episode will speak to anyone who’s ever struggled to feel seen, known, or supported—especially in seasons that feel overlooked or misunderstood.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Navigating motherhood, ministry, and entrepreneurship with honesty and faith
• Cleere’s journey as a special needs mother and how it shapes her spiritual life
• Why receiving grace can be harder than offering it
• The purpose behind Revive and how declaring God’s truth brings renewal
• The deep longing for community, safety, and belonging
• Trusting God in the detours you never saw coming

This episode is for you if you’ve ever wondered whether your unseen faithfulness matters, wrestled with receiving grace, or longed to feel less alone in your season.

• Get her book Revive: Declarations of God’s Truth To Renew Your Spirit → https://cleerereeves.com/revive

• Visit her website → https://cleerereeves.com

• Follow her on Instagram → @cleere.reeves

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This one’s tender. It’s personal. And it’s for anyone who’s ever wondered if God still sees them in the unraveling.

In this episode, I open up about a season of hidden pain, slow healing, and the surprising ways God reminded me I was still being held—even when hope felt fragile. If you’re walking through something hard, if you’re tired of pretending you’re okay, or if you need a reminder that your wounds don’t disqualify you, this one’s for you.

As we enter Holy Week, I also talk about the tension of Good Friday: the ache of a day that doesn’t feel “good” when you're in the middle of your own grief, and what it means to live in that space between pain and resurrection. I end with a prayer for those still waiting... and share a major announcement I’ve been holding close.

• You’re allowed to be both wounded and still witnessing.

• Healing isn’t always visible but it’s still holy.

• God often speaks through the small and sacred.

• Your scars are not the end of your story.

• Good Friday reminds us: even when it doesn’t feel good, God is still working.

• Resurrection is coming, even if you’re not there yet.

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In this eye-opening episode of Hard and Holy, Cass sits down with Dr. Camden Morgante, licensed psychologist and author of Recovering from Purity Culture, to explore the lingering wounds of religious sexual shame and how we begin to heal.

Together, we unpack:

• The “flipped switch” myth and the “sexual prosperity gospel”
• How purity culture often leads to sexual dysfunction and disconnection in marriage
• The connection between modesty culture and rape culture
• How purity culture exacerbates shame for survivors of sexual abuse
• The importance of teaching values-based sex education over rigid rules
• What balanced parenting after purity culture can look like
• Why reclaiming your worth is not rebellion but a return to truth
• Actionable insights to process your own story and rebuild a healthy, faith-filled sexual ethic

Dr. Camden also shares the powerful symbolism behind her book cover: a wilting rose beside a blooming one, as a visual of worth reclaimed and dignity restored. If you’re curious about how to develop a healthier, more holistic view of sexuality, one rooted in Biblical values rather than shame this episode is for you. Whether you grew up immersed in purity culture or are just beginning to untangle its effects, this conversation is filled with truth, clarity, and hope for your healing journey.

Trigger Warning: This episode contains discussions of sexual trauma, purity culture, and religious sexual shame. Please listen with care and take space if needed.

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Recovering from Purity Culture by Dr. Camden Morgante

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In this episode of Hard and Holy, Cassandra sits down with her seminary sister and bestselling author, Tori Hope Petersen, to talk about her latest book, Breaking the Patterns That Break You: Healing from the Pain of Your Past and Finding Real Hope That Lasts.

Tori shares her powerful story of surviving the foster care system, abuse, and instability and how God met her in the middle of the mess. Together, they explore how healing can become an act of worship, what it means to say yes to God when you feel unready, and how personal stories can become a source of strength and service.

If you’ve ever felt stuck in the pain of your past or wondered whether God can bring good from your brokenness, this conversation will speak straight to your soul.

In this episode, we cover:

• The heart behind Breaking the Patterns That Break You
• Tori’s journey through foster care, abuse, and homelessness
• What it looks like to find healing through faith, community, and mentorship
• How to serve and lead even when you feel unprepared or unqualified
• Why your story matters and how God can use it to bring hope to others
• A tender prayer for those still in the thick of their healing journey

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