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Four Bars

Four Bars

By: Ken and Patti Leith
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Presented by EDGES, Inc., The Four Bars Podcast is about building stronger, more connected communities through meaningful conversations. Hosted by Ken and Patti Leith, we explore how to foster collaboration, embrace differences, and address challenges together.


We believe in creating "Four Bars" in our connections – deeper relationships that enhance personal lives, workplaces, and communities. Drawing on EDGES' innovative team collaboration tool, Inter Face Methods, and our nonprofit initiative, Unform Your Bias™, we share practical strategies to improve communication and reduce bias through storytelling.

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  • What Congo Taught Me About Connecting with Anyone
    May 15 2025

    From a mud-stuck vehicle in the Democratic Republic of Congo to the halls of George Mason University, Dr. Charles Davidson's journey in peace-building offers profound insights into human connection across seemingly insurmountable divides. As both Director of Research and Practice at the Center for Applied Peace Strategies and President of Innovations in Peacebuilding, Davidson brings decades of on-the-ground experience working directly with former child soldiers and armed groups in some of the world's most dangerous conflict zones.

    Davidson's approach to peacebuilding turns conventional wisdom on its head. Rather than operating from fortified compounds or implementing preconceived solutions, he advocates for deep listening, local ownership, and economic opportunity as pathways to sustainable peace. His work demonstrates that whether you're negotiating with armed groups in Africa or managing office conflicts in America, the fundamental principles remain the same: recognize our shared humanity, listen before formulating solutions, and understand the legitimate needs driving seemingly destructive behaviors.

    One story particularly illuminates Davidson's impact – a young Congolese woman rescued from forced marriage in an armed group who, with just two pregnant goats as startup capital, built a thriving business and opened a sewing school for other vulnerable women. She even became the organization's first African donor, gifting two goats to another survivor. This powerful transformation underscores Davidson's belief that providing economic alternatives and respect-building opportunities creates sustainable peace dividends far more effectively than traditional intervention methods.

    Davidson challenges us all to be peacebuilders in our everyday lives, emphasizing that personal transformation precedes societal change. By examining our own biases, practicing deep listening, and seeking to understand the legitimate needs driving others' actions, we can contribute to peace regardless of our profession. Whether you're fascinated by international relations, conflict resolution in your workplace, or personal growth, this conversation offers practical wisdom for building stronger connections across our increasingly divided world. Follow Dr. Davidson's work, get involved, or simply apply his insights to your daily interactions—peace building begins with each of us.

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    50 mins
  • You Can't Lead Without Listening
    May 1 2025

    The journey from tactical operator to strategic leader requires more than just a promotion - it demands a fundamental shift in thinking. Brandon Taylor, Senior Vice President of Transportation at JB Hunt Transport, returns to share the pivotal moments and hard-won wisdom from his leadership journey.

    Brandon's career path took him from selling furniture in Miami to leading transportation strategy at one of America's largest logistics companies. Along the way, a powerful wake-up call from his wife - who told him he was "cheating on her" with his job - forced him to reassess his priorities and ultimately led him to JB Hunt, where authentic relationships and family-first values aligned with his own.

    What sets exceptional leaders apart? Brandon reveals that while tactical execution wins battles, strategic vision wins wars - and both are essential. He shares his soccer field analogy for team building: "Everybody's not going to be the center fielder... we need to make sure they understand why I have you playing goalie right now." This approach ensures everyone understands their role within the larger mission.

    Perhaps most thought-provoking is Brandon's challenge to conventional wisdom about leadership isolation. "A great leader should never feel lonely," he asserts, encouraging leaders to build genuine connections while remaining coachable, like Tom Brady, who still relied on quarterback coaches while winning Super Bowls.

    For aspiring leaders, Brandon's guidance is both simple and profound: "Live your purpose." When leaders align their actions with their values and surround themselves with the right people, profitability naturally follows. Whether you're managing a team or running an organization, this conversation offers practical wisdom on balancing tactical execution with strategic vision while staying true to what matters most.

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    35 mins
  • What Life Taught Me About Leading
    Apr 17 2025

    Brandon Taylor, Senior Vice President of Transportation at JB Hunt Transport, takes us on a deeply personal journey through his formative years and the values that have shaped his life and leadership philosophy.

    Growing up as a self-described "military brat," Brandon moved constantly throughout his childhood – from Michigan to Wyoming, England, Oklahoma, Germany, and California. This nomadic upbringing forged in him an unusual combination of introversion and extroversion; he gains energy from quiet time alone yet possesses a remarkable ability to connect with strangers and form meaningful relationships quickly. At the heart of Brandon's story stands his grandmother, who lost both parents to tuberculosis at a young age yet went on to become an educator who taught Sunday school from 1941 until COVID prevented her from leaving home. Her influence instilled in Brandon a lifelong love of reading and learning.

    Three core values emerge as the foundation of Brandon's life: integrity, character, and trustworthiness. These principles, drilled into him from childhood, guide his personal and professional decisions even when candid truth-telling might be difficult. Brandon shares how becoming a father at 24 transformed his outlook, shifting his focus from self to family and community. His personal mission statement – "to help people unlock their God-given potential and gift it back to Him" – reflects his belief that our talents are meant not just for personal gain but to serve others.

    With refreshing honesty, Brandon discusses a period when life's difficulties led him to step back from mentoring others, even throwing away his books rather than giving them away. Yet it was precisely by returning to his purpose of giving and serving that he found his way through depression – a powerful reminder that living in alignment with our core values is essential for wellbeing. For aspiring leaders, Brandon offers two invaluable pieces of advice: "Influence is a contact sport" and "Compete but don't compare." These insights, along with his emphasis on community building, provide a blueprint for leadership with purpose and integrity.

    Ready to hear more wisdom about connecting with purpose? Subscribe to the Four Bars Podcast for conversations that strengthen relationships and build communities that lift each other up.

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    39 mins

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