• Out of Love and Necessity: How Patta Uses Print to Create Cultural Depth
    Apr 23 2025

    Why a leading brand chooses to tell its story through limited-circulation magazines in the digital age

    In this follow-up to our indie magazine exploration, we welcome Guillaume "Gee" Schmidt, co-founder of Patta, to discuss how print magazines function within contemporary brand ecosystems. What began as a sneaker boutique in Amsterdam has evolved into a multifaceted cultural force spanning clothing, music, sports, and social initiatives, with their biannual print magazine serving as a connective tissue between these elements.


    The conversation explores how magazines shaped Guillaume's worldview from an early age, from The Source to Fantastic Man, before examining why Patta launched their own publication during the pandemic. “Magazines slow down time,” Guillaume explains, contrasting the deliberate experience of page-turning with the rapid pace of digital scrolling. This deceleration creates space for deeper storytelling and unexpected cultural connections that reflect Patta's philosophy of operating between established categories.


    Most revealing is Guillaume's articulation of the magazine's purpose: not as a revenue generator, but as a cultural artifact that embodies Patta's ethos of “out of love and necessity rather than profit and novelty.” Through editorial choices that deliberately juxtapose diverse influences—from grime artists to political philosophers—the magazine materializes Patta's commitment to representing Blackness while refusing to be pigeonholed. The conversation highlights how physical media creates different relationships with audiences than digital content, revealing the continued relevance of tactile experiences in building authentic community connections.


    Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction & Patta's Evolution

    03:42 - Patta's Origin Story

    08:32 - Magazines as Cultural Touchpoints

    12:05 - Why Create a Print Magazine Today

    17:03 - Beyond Monetization: Magazines as Brand Expression

    24:46 - Content and Cultural Connections

    30:33 - Blackness as Starting Point

    35:01 - Magazine Distribution and Community Building

    39:14 - Digital vs. Physical Media Ecosystem

    42:35 - Future Directions for Patta and Print


    Links:

    • Patta: https://www.patta.nl/
    • Patta Magazine (available only in Patta stores)
    • Follow the Rabbit s04e11 - Indie Magazines: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/follow-the-rabbit/episodes/From-Davos-to-your-Inbox-Narratives--Newsletters--and-Nuances-with-Adrian-Monck-e31ad2o


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  • Indie Magazines: From productive nostalgia to cultural anchors
    Apr 16 2025

    In a world obsessed with digital content, why are luxury print magazines not just surviving but thriving?

    In this episode of Follow the Rabbit, we explore the persistent appeal of print magazines in our hyper-digital world. Sparked by a New York Times article about “the revenge of the niche fashion magazine,” we examine how these physical artifacts create communities, serve as premium spaces for advertisers, and offer respite from algorithm-driven experiences.

    Drawing from Johannes' long-standing connection to Monocle magazine and broader industry observations, we look at how print publications are finding new relevance not despite our digital immersion but because of it. The discussion moves beyond nostalgia to explore how tactile media creates deeper engagement, how luxury brands seek “safe spaces” away from controversial online environments, and why younger demographics increasingly turn to print as an alternative to screen-based content.

    From indie magazine shops in Berlin to brand-created publications like Patta's community-focused magazine, the episode offers insight into how print media is evolving from a mere information vehicle to a cultural touchpoint that brings people together in physical spaces.


    Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction & Context

    02:35 - The "Print is Back" Cycle

    04:10 - Johannes' Personal Connection to Print Magazines

    05:07 - How Magazines Survived the iPad Era

    07:15 - Niche Markets and the Myth of "Winner Takes All"

    10:13 - The Cultural Influence of Indie Magazines

    13:02 - Community Building Through Physical Media

    18:45 - The Role of Collectibility and Advertising

    21:37 - The Siemens Example: Digital Products in Print

    25:29 - Nostalgia as Alternative History

    28:52 - Digital Fatigue and Young Readers' Preferences

    35:40 - Bringing People Together: The Monocle Patron Circle

    39:17 - Print as a Counterpoint to AI-Generated Content


    Links:

    • NY Times – ‘The Revenge of the Niche Fashion Magazine’: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/style/fashion-magazines.html
    • do you read me?! Shop: https://doyoureadme.de/en
    • Monocle: https://monocle.com
    • Patta (Shop & Magazine): https://www.patta.nl/
    • Digital Dualism as critizised by Nathan Jurgenson: https://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2011/02/24/digital-dualism-versus-augmented-reality/
    • Sources for the statistics:
      • 2021 MPA Factbook: https://www.newsmediaalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2021-MPA-Factbook_REVISED-NOV-2021.pdf
      • Bold Entity: https://boldentity.com/print-marketing-a-millennials-perspective/
      • Electro IQ: https://electroiq.com/stats/print-marketing-statistics/


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  • From Davos to your Inbox: Narratives, Newsletters, and Nuances with Adrian Monck
    Apr 9 2025
    How the former Davos communications chief navigates the tension between algorithmic demands and journalistic integrity in his quest to make sense of a world that resists coherenceIn this episode of Follow the Rabbit, we explore the changing landscape of cultural impact with Adrian Monck, whose newsletter "Seven Things" has become an intriguing case study in post-institutional thought leadership. After working in television journalism, academia, and finally as the World Economic Forum's communications architect for 13 years, Monck now creates a weekly geopolitical digest that reaches over 160,000 readers—all while earning "nothing" and negotiating holidays with himself.Our discussion delves into the tensions that define today's media ecosystem: the algorithmic punishment for including links (which doubled Monck's engagement when removed), the paradoxical freedom of writing without institutional constraints, and the challenge of maintaining critical perspective in a world that resists coherent narratives. As Monck puts it with remarkable candor, the underlying message of his 40 years in journalism is "incoherence"—the world simply does not make sense in the tidy ways we often assume.What emerges is a sophisticated investigation into how media consumption and creation are fundamentally altering. We are watching the alteration of authority and trust, similar to how we have seen the emergence of third places and the re-contextualization of health as a luxury in earlier seasons. Monck is a unique hybrid: someone whose insider knowledge lends credibility, but whose independence allows for refreshing candor about anything from tech millionaires' "craven" emails to the shifting economics of written media (which he claims is "going the way of poetry").Monck's experience demonstrates how we are all negotiating the tension between algorithmic pressures and human judgment. His weekly newsletter, which is a deliberate blend of geopolitics, economics, technology, and cultural observations, symbolizes a type of resistance to attention fragmentation by providing seven carefully picked insights rather than an unending scroll.Chapters:00:01 - Introduction to Adrian Monck and his background 03:10 - Starting a "publishing empire" with Seven Things newsletter 05:52 - Adrian's writing process and weekly discipline 07:35 - Finding unique angles that big media organizations miss 11:15 - The unpredictability of audience engagement 12:43 - Platform challenges and LinkedIn's algorithm 14:22 - Experimenting with different platforms (Substack, Threads, Bluesky) 17:26 - The shift toward video content and its dangers 20:17 - Maintaining editorial restraint in the attention economy 24:56 - Approaching criticism with nuance and experience 27:49 - The incoherence of the world from 40 years in journalism 30:50 - Media framing and selective focus in conflict reporting 34:13 - The future of newsletters as "modern poetry" 38:04 - How Adrian decides what to read and curates information 41:43 - Three newsletters Adrian recommendsLinks:Seven Things Newsletter by Adrian MonckOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7-things-6598191513426030592/On Substack: https://7thin.gs/Adrian Monck’s RecommendationsSinica by Kaiser Y Kuo: https://www.sinicapodcast.com/Pekingnology by Zichen Wang: https://www.pekingnology.com/Chartbook by Adam Tooze: https://adamtooze.substack.com/---------------Follow the Rabbit on ⁠Spotify⁠Follow the Rabbit on ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠Follow the Rabbit on ⁠Youtube⁠Follow the Rabbit is a Known Unknowns productionKnown Unknowns on ⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠ Known Unknowns on ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠Follow the Rabbit is hosted by Igor Schwarzmann & Johannes KleskeFind out more about ⁠⁠Igor Schwarzmann⁠⁠ Find out moire about ⁠⁠Johannes Kleske⁠⁠
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  • Monthly Rewind: Luxury Markets, ADHD Soundscapes, and Conversations as Culture
    Apr 2 2025

    In this monthly recap episode, Igor and Johannes reflect on cultural phenomena that caught their attention during March 2025, exploring luxury consumption, wellness trends, and the evolving nature of media consumption.

    From the luxury supermarket Erewhon and its influence on brand perception to the complex social implications of GLP-1 drugs and the fascinating personalization of sound through the Endel app. The hosts conclude with insights on how long-form conversations are reshaping our relationship with media consumption and knowledge formation.


    Key themes:

    • How luxury food retailers like Erewhon transform shopping into status signaling
    • The emerging social dynamics around weight loss medications
    • Personal soundscapes as a form of positive algorithmic personalization
    • The shift toward conversations as units of culture and knowledge production
    • How consumer products reflect our collective search for belonging


    Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction & Monthly Format02:55 - Erewhon: The Business of Aspirational Groceries12:25 - Status Signaling & The Loneliness Connection17:45 - GLP-1 on Campus: Elle's New Column on Student Usage24:52 - Andal: Personalized Soundscapes for ADHD Focus35:24 - Conversations as Culture: The New Unit of Knowledge Formation41:05 - Video vs. Audio: Different Ways to Experience Dialogue47:51 - Long-form Conversations & Human Connection52:27 - Closing Thoughts


    Suggested Links:

    1. Erewhon-related content:
      • Vogue Business article about Erewhon: https://www.voguebusiness.com/story/consumers/the-business-of-erewhon uID=16d13b220ccb049d0b0aeccdeb34f14634765ffc5ec3b5735cbf184ebf8c07f2
    2. Touchland:
      • Article/coverage about their growth from 16M to 100M revenue: https://www.nbcnews.com/select/shopping/touchland-hand-sanitizer-rcna197416
    3. GLP-1/Ozempic coverage:
      • Elle magazine's new column on GLP-1 drugs: https://www.elle.com/ozempic/
      • The specific article about "GLP-1 drugs on campus“: https://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/a63787623/ozempic-secret-college-campuses-trend-explained/
    4. Endel app:
      • Endel's official website: https://endel.io/
    5. Conversations as culture:
      • Kayle Chayka's newsletter post about "conversations as the new unit of culture“: https://onethingnewsletter.substack.com/p/conversations-are-the-new-unit-of
      • Jeff Staple's dinner conversation video/series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpLRsQ1vsw&t=695s
    6. Other references:
    • Information about Jellycats and blind box collectibles: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g34x51en8o


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  • Adventures in Cultural Strategy with Amy Daroukakis
    Mar 26 2025

    What happens when 90% of our cultural insights come from just 10 cities?

    In this episode of Follow the Rabbit, Igor and Johannes welcome cultural strategist Amy Daroukakis, who shares her provocative thesis that 90% of trend reports come from just 10 cities in the world—creating a homogenized view of culture that fails to capture global diversity. With 20 years of experience working across 60+ countries, Amy offers insight into how this narrow lens affects everything from business decisions to physical spaces.

    The conversation explores how true curiosity has become the essential skill in an age of AI and algorithm-driven content. Through stories spanning Korean kimchi robots to secret trend rooms for major retailers, they unpack how human storytelling and cultural context provide what AI cannot: meaningful connections between seemingly disparate elements.

    Key themes include:

    • The problem with current trend reporting and its bias toward Western/Global North perspectives
    • Amy's project to gather 52 diverse global voices for 2025 cultural insights
    • How curiosity becomes both a personal practice and a professional advantage
    • The challenges of translating cultural trends into actionable business strategies
    • Why the ability to make connections across contexts becomes increasingly valuable as AI handles the mundane


    This thoughtful discussion reveals how to move beyond "trends for trends' sake" toward deeper cultural understanding—and why your ability to get lost in rabbit holes might be your most valuable asset in the coming era.


    Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction & Amy's Background

    05:17 - The Problem with Global Trend Reports

    08:53 - Building the Trend Folder & Democratizing Information

    12:00 - Curiosity vs Professional Interest in Trends

    14:34 - The Challenge of Being Curious in Organizations

    16:16 - Human Storytelling vs AI in Cultural Insights

    21:44 - The Disconnect Between Research and Application

    23:23 - Target's Secret Trend Rooms: A Personal Story

    25:32 - From Ta-Da Presentations to Co-Curiosity Building

    28:00 - AI Tools and the Value of Human Curiosity

    30:12 - From Technology Trends to Cultural Phenomena

    31:52 - What Trend Reports Reveal About Companies

    35:56 - Kimchi Robots: Connecting Culture and Innovation

    39:46 - Multiple Truths: Everything Everywhere All at Once

    43:21 - Honest Conversations About Organizational Speed

    46:18 - Curiosity as the Key Skill in the Age of AI

    49:26 - Finding Connections in Chaos

    54:30 - Sensory Approaches to Cultural Understanding

    56:35 - Closing Thoughts: Trends as Manifestations of Curiosity


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  • The $19 Strawberry: Decoding Luxury, Craft, and Viral Outrage
    Mar 19 2025

    The $19 strawberry isn't ridiculous—it's the perfect artifact for decoding our conflicted relationship with luxury, authenticity, and outrage culture.

    In this episode of Follow the Rabbit, Igor and Johannes examine the viral phenomenon of the $19 strawberry sold at Erewhon, the luxury LA supermarket previously featured in their Season 3 discussions. What begins as apparent late-stage capitalism absurdity reveals itself as a complex intersection of Japanese craftsmanship, global logistics, social media dynamics, and changing luxury consumption patterns.

    The conversation traces how these rare Tochigi Prefecture strawberries—requiring seven years of cross-breeding and extreme cultivation care—transform from agricultural achievement to viral content. Through examining both the supply side (Japanese dedication to craft perfection, complex air shipping logistics) and the demand side (performative consumption, health signaling), the hosts reveal how this seemingly ridiculous luxury item perfectly encapsulates numerous cultural currents.

    Key themes include:

    • Japan's centuries-long tradition of luxury fruit cultivation and gifting
    • The logistics challenge of delivering ultra-fresh produce across continents
    • How Western cultures romanticize Japanese craftsmanship as an antidote to digital disembodiment
    • The psychology behind viral "I tried it so you don't have to" content
    • The tension between sustainability concerns and luxury consumption
    • How outrage itself becomes part of the attention economy that propels phenomena like this


    The episode offers a thoughtful exploration of how a simple strawberry becomes a mirror reflecting our complicated relationship with luxury, craft, consumption, and digital performance.

    Chapters:
    00:00 - Introduction & Strawberry Season
    01:57 - The $19 Strawberry Phenomenon
    05:01 - Japanese Luxury Fruit Traditions
    11:00 - Craft, Logistics, and True Costs
    17:25 - Digital Culture and Performative Consumption
    23:43 - Sustainability Tensions and Status Signaling
    27:29 - Irrationality, Art, and Exclusivity
    29:58 - Closing Thoughts


    Links:

    • Follow the Rabbit s03e04 – The Evolution of Health as a Luxury https://youtu.be/mgsRwe9pEk8
    • Erewhon's viral strawberry moment: https://www.tiktok.com/@alyssaantocii/video/7474331662508166430
    • Truly Classy – A Look Inside Japan’s World of Luxury Fruits: https://www.trulyclassy.com/look-inside-japans-world-luxury-fruits/
    • Food&Wine – Why Does This Single Strawberry Cost $19?: https://www.foodandwine.com/erewhon-viral-tochiaika-strawberry-11685638
    • People – Erewhon’s ‘Dystopian’ $19 Strawberry Has the Internet Outraged: https://people.com/erewhon-s-dystopian-strawberry-has-the-internet-outraged-11688868
    • Hiro Dreams of Sushi documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiro_Dreams_of_Sushi
    • Neil Postman - Amusing Ourselves to Death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death


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  • Curating in the Age of AI with Sari Azout
    Mar 11 2025
    From cynicism to curiosity: How personal taste becomes the ultimate skill in an AI-powered worldThe topic of AI often appears deceptively binary: those who believe it will transform everything versus those who refuse to acknowledge its real-world benefits despite the hype. In this episode of Follow the Rabbit, Igor and Johannes are joined by Sari Azout, founder of Sublime, a digital curation tool, who published an essay on exactly this nuanced middle ground that caught our attention. The conversation explores how AI is transforming curation from a leisurely hobby into a crucial skill for creativity and knowledge work.Moving beyond the binary narratives of AI as either dystopian threat or techno-utopian savior, the discussion reveals how personal taste, judgment, and refined attention become increasingly valuable in a world where AI can generate abundant content but struggles with discernment. Drawing from her experience building Sublime and her essay that caught Igor and Johannes' attention, Sari offers practical insights into how she collaborates with AI as a creative partner rather than a replacement.The conversation weaves together several key themes:The evolution from initial AI skepticism to discovering its potential as a thinking companionHow personal collections of inspiration can train AI to reflect your unique perspectiveThe challenge of developing taste in an algorithm-dominated worldThe difference between automated outputs and AI-augmented human creativityThe unexpected ways AI tools can assist those with different cognitive stylesThrough specific examples and practical applications, the episode offers a nuanced view of how curation — the skill of collecting, connecting, and refining ideas — becomes the foundation for meaningful AI collaboration. It suggests that while technical skills may be automated, the ability to make aesthetic and conceptual judgments becomes increasingly valuable.Chapters:00:00 - Introduction & Binary AI Narratives07:15 - Beyond Automation: AI as Creative Partner11:13 - The Increasing Value of Taste and Curation14:39 - Practical Examples of Claude Collaboration20:13 - Attention and Focus in Digital Environments29:23 - The Missing Storytelling from AI Leaders34:05 - Developing Taste in an Algorithmic World39:56 - Accessibility and Diverse Thinking Styles43:13 - Breaking Free of Algorithmic ProgrammingLinks:Sublime (Beta signup link): https://sublime.app/invite/0xnw0jSrSari on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraazout/Sari on Substack: https://sublimeinternet.substack.com/Sari Azout's essay on taste in the age of AI: https://sariazout.substack.com/p/the-art-of-curation-in-the-age-ofFinite and Infinite Games by James P. Carse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_GamesWhy Anthropic’s Claude Is a Hit with Tech Insiders - The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/technology/claude-ai-anthropic.html This episode offers a refreshing perspective that moves beyond both techno-optimism and techno-pessimism, suggesting instead that the most valuable human contribution in the AI era might be our unique ability to curate, judge, and refine — skills that require us to resist algorithmic programming and cultivate our own distinct taste.---------------Follow the Rabbit on ⁠Spotify⁠Follow the Rabbit on ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠Follow the Rabbit on ⁠Youtube⁠Follow the Rabbit is a Known Unknowns productionKnown Unknowns on ⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠ Known Unknowns on ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠Follow the Rabbit is hosted by Igor Schwarzmann & Johannes KleskeFind out more about ⁠⁠Igor Schwarzmann⁠⁠ Find out moire about ⁠⁠Johannes Kleske⁠⁠
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  • Wrestling Politics, Soft Clubbing, and Wired's Investigative Rebirth
    Mar 4 2025

    From Trump's scripted reality to tech journalism's new priorities, exploring the connections between seemingly disparate cultural shifts

    Throughout the episode, a central theme emerges: in a world of increasingly scripted realities and algorithmic experiences, meaningful connection and deep understanding become both more valuable and more challenging to achieve.

    In this month's review episode, Igor and Johannes examine three seemingly unrelated phenomena that reveal deeper patterns in our cultural landscape. Through the lens of attention economics, they explore how professional wrestling's scripted reality has become a powerful framework for understanding contemporary politics.

    Starting with Jon Stewart's incisive analysis of recent White House events, they discuss how Trump's wrestling background provides context for his political approach, where nothing is random despite appearances. The conversation draws connections to Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves to Death," highlighting how media environments shape political discourse and societal responses.

    The discussion then turns to "soft clubbing," an emerging trend where young people seek curated musical experiences in relaxed, daytime settings that prioritize connection over intoxication. This shift exemplifies broader post-pandemic behavioral changes, where health-conscious socializing and in-person interactions become a new form of counterculture.

    Finally, they examine Wired magazine's surprising transformation under Katie Drummond's leadership into an essential source for investigative reporting on technology's political dimensions. By hiring specialized beat reporters and building a dedicated political team before the election cycle, Wired demonstrates how media organizations can adapt to complex challenges through strategic foresight and depth over breadth.


    Chapters:

    00:00 - Introduction & Context

    01:05 - Wrestling as a Lens for Political Reality

    10:09 - Soft Clubbing: The New Social Paradigm

    22:04 - Wired's Transformation: Technology as Political

    32:45 - Journalism's Challenge in the Age of Trump

    39:21 - Closing Thoughts: Finding Patterns in Complexity


    Links:

    • Is Everything Wrestling – NYT – https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/magazine/is-everything-wrestling.html
    • Jon Stewart on Trump’s Heel Turn on Zelenskyy – The Daily Show – https://youtu.be/OeUZI5RnYGg?si=xXDu6jRCH6f4i4KG
    • Amusing Ourselves to Death – Neil Postman – Wikiedpia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death
    • 2025: The Year of Soft Clubbing – Yusuf Ntahilaja – https://yusufntahilaja.substack.com/p/2025-the-year-of-soft-clubbing
    • Kara Swisher interviews Katie Drummond – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7upK7nHM1Q
    • Heimweh nach der Zukunft - Profil Esther Dyson – brand eins (German) – https://www.brandeins.de/magazine/brand-eins-wirtschaftsmagazin/2024/vorausdenken/esther-dyson-heimweh-nach-der-zukunft


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