• Enabling frontline leaders
    May 1 2025
    This conversation delves into the critical role of frontline supervisors in contact centers, exploring the challenges they face, the future of their roles amidst technological advancements, and effective leadership strategies to support them. The discussion emphasizes the importance of human connection in leadership and the need for organizations to prioritize the well-being and development of their frontline supervisors.

    Takeaways

    The job of a frontline supervisor can be overwhelming.
    Many supervisors lack adequate training for their roles.
    Time management is crucial for supervisors to balance their responsibilities.
    Supervisors often spend less than 50% of their time with their teams.
    Technology is changing the landscape of contact centers, impacting supervisors' roles.
    AI and automation may not replace supervisors but change their responsibilities.
    Leadership should focus on personal growth and development.
    Praise and coaching should be balanced in management practices.
    Human customers will always need human supervisors.
    Organizations must check in on their frontline supervisors regularly.

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    20 mins
  • Agentic AI vs. Human
    Apr 27 2025

    Summary

    In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolving landscape of contact centers, particularly focusing on Microsoft's recent rebranding efforts that redefine the term 'agent' to refer to bots rather than human representatives. They explore the implications of this shift, the role of technology in customer service, and the importance of maintaining a human connection in an increasingly automated environment. The discussion emphasizes the need for leaders in the industry to advocate for human agents while navigating the challenges posed by AI and digital transformation.

    Takeaways

    Microsoft's rebranding reflects a significant shift in the contact center industry.
    The term 'agent' is now being associated with bots rather than human representatives.
    Technology is becoming the focal point in contact centers, often at the expense of human agents.
    There is a need for industry professionals to push back against the over-reliance on technology.
    AI should be used to support human agents, not replace them.
    The future of customer service must include a balance between technology and human interaction.
    Leaders should advocate for the value of human agents in the face of automation.
    Customer loyalty is built on human connections, not technology.
    The conversation around AI in contact centers is evolving rapidly.
    It's essential to maintain clarity in terminology to avoid confusion between human and digital agents.

    Titles

    The Future of Contact Centers: Humans vs. Bots
    Navigating the AI Revolution in Customer Service

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Sports Banter
    02:01 Microsoft's Rebranding and the Future of Contact Centers
    06:05 The Role of Technology in Contact Centers
    12:03 Navigating Change in Contact Center Operations
    17:57 Conclusion and Call to Action
    18:59 contact center show vertical outtro.mp4

    Links:https://www.cxtoday.com/contact-center/microsoft-rebrands-its-contact-center-workspace-stops-using-the-term-agent-for-live-reps/

    https://www.cxtoday.com/contact-center/microsoft-releases-three-ai-agents-for-a-more-autonomous-contact-center/

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    17 mins
  • Enabling Frontline leadership
    Apr 16 2025
    In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the critical issues surrounding employee engagement and retention, particularly in contact centers. They explore the impact of leadership on employee satisfaction, the importance of proper training for supervisors, and the need for organizations to create a supportive work environment. The discussion emphasizes the necessity of understanding why employees stay or leave, and how effective leadership can foster a positive workplace culture. The conversation concludes with a call to action for organizations to prioritize leadership development and employee engagement strategies. Takeaways Employee engagement has regressed to pre-COVID levels.Understanding why employees leave is crucial for retention.Strong relationships with leaders can influence employee retention.Promoting the best employee to a leadership role can backfire.Leadership training is often lacking in organizations.A supportive work environment is essential for employee satisfaction.Employees need to feel a sense of purpose in their work.Effective communication between managers and employees is vital.Organizations must be realistic about job expectations.Investing time in leadership development is necessary for success. TitlesReviving Employee Engagement Post-COVID Sound Bites "Why are people leaving?""People don't leave jobs, they leave employers.""Let us know if you want more of this." Chapters 00:00The State of Employee Engagement 02:59Understanding Employee Retention 06:11The Role of Leadership in Retention 08:45Training and Development for Leaders 12:06Creating a Supportive Work Environment 15:02The Importance of Purpose in Work 17:59Final Thoughts and Call to Action https://news.gallup.com/poll/1720/work-work-place.aspx
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    18 mins
  • What to do about NPS
    Mar 31 2025
    In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolving landscape of customer satisfaction metrics, particularly focusing on the Net Promoter Score (NPS). They explore the origins of NPS, its initial impact on customer sentiment, and the criticisms it has faced over the years. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding customer feedback and the ethical implications of incentivizing customer responses. Ultimately, they question the relevance of NPS in today's business environment and suggest a more nuanced approach to measuring customer satisfaction. Takeaways
    • It's a people business.
    • NPS became kind of a synonym for customer satisfaction.
    • NPS has now been bastardized.
    • We have data now that NPS does not correlate to recommendations.
    • If I did what you wanted, please give me a good score.
    • We've put that person into a place where they are just trying to meet the expectation.
    • If it's going to be about the damn metric, fix the system.
    • NPS is past its time.
    • We need to wow our customers.
    • We need to keep customer sentiment really, really matters.

    Chapters

    00:00 The Ever-Changing Landscape of Business
    02:27 The Evolution and Impact of NPS
    11:27 Critique of NPS: Is It Still Relevant?
    18:18 The Ethics of Customer Feedback and Incentives

    Resources:

    https://itamargilad.com/net-promoter-score-part1/

    https://www.netpromotersystem.com/insights/refocusing-nps-for-earned-growth-podcast/

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    22 mins
  • HP adds 15 minute mandatory hold time
    Mar 16 2025

    Summary

    In this engaging conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the challenges and implications of automation in customer service, particularly focusing on HP's controversial decision to implement a 15-minute wait time for customers to encourage self-service. They explore customer preferences, the impact of wait times on experience, and the importance of effective customer service strategies in business. The discussion highlights the balance between cost efficiency and customer satisfaction, culminating in a call for companies to value customer feedback and service quality.

    Takeaways

    Automation in customer service often leads to frustration.
    HP's 15-minute wait policy aimed to push digital self-service.
    Customer preferences should be prioritized in service design.
    Long wait times can significantly impact customer experience.
    Companies must listen to customer feedback to improve services.
    Self-service options should be user-friendly and accessible.
    The cost of human interaction in customer service is high.
    Effective communication is key to customer satisfaction.
    Businesses should focus on long-term customer relationships.
    Customer service should be valued as a critical business function.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Light Banter
    00:57 The Automation Dilemma in Customer Service
    02:55 HP's Controversial 15-Minute Wait Policy
    06:07 Customer Preferences and Self-Service Solutions
    09:02 The Impact of Wait Times on Customer Experience
    12:02 HP's Policy Rescinded and Customer Feedback
    15:06 The Importance of Customer Service in Business
    17:58 Conclusion and Call to Action

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    17 mins
  • AI will not replace humans in service
    Mar 9 2025

    Summary

    In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the evolving landscape of customer service, particularly the role of AI and human agents. They reflect on the impact of AI technologies on contact centers, emphasizing that while AI can enhance efficiency, the human element remains crucial. They reference Klana's recent shift back to valuing human interaction, highlighting consumer preferences for speaking with live agents. The discussion underscores the importance of using AI to support rather than replace human agents, ultimately advocating for a balanced approach to customer service that prioritizes both technology and human connection.

    Takeaways

    AI is capable of handling a significant volume of customer interactions.
    The belief that AI will completely replace human agents is exaggerated.
    Human agents are becoming more valuable in the age of AI.
    AI should be used to enhance the capabilities of human agents.
    Consumer preference still leans heavily towards human interaction for customer service.
    Companies that ignore the human element risk losing customer satisfaction.
    The integration of AI in customer service should focus on efficiency and support for agents.
    Automation can lead to increased customer interactions, not a decrease.
    The return of human agents in companies like Klana highlights the importance of personal touch.
    Understanding customer needs is essential for effective service delivery.

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    22 mins
  • Attributes of a good leader
    Mar 4 2025

    Summary

    In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss explore the critical themes of leadership, empathy, and the evolving dynamics in contact centers, especially in the context of AI integration. They discuss the importance of creating a safe and trusting environment for employees, the need for compassion in leadership, and the distinction between finding meaning from work versus meaning at work. The conversation emphasizes that as technology advances, the human element in leadership becomes even more vital.

    Takeaways

    Empathy can be learned but is often defined differently by individuals.
    Leaders must create a safe space for employees to express themselves.
    Hope, trust, compassion, and stability are essential for effective leadership.
    The relationship between agents and managers is changing with AI integration.
    Employees need to feel safe to express unpopular opinions without fear of repercussions.
    The shift towards a people-based business model is crucial in contact centers.
    Meaning at work is derived from relationships, not just salary.
    Compassion in leadership helps employees feel valued and supported.
    AI should enhance human interactions, not replace them.
    Leaders should regularly assess if they are providing hope and trust to their teams.

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    18 mins
  • Return to work challenges
    Feb 20 2025

    Summary

    In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss discuss the ongoing shift back to office work post-COVID, the challenges of hybrid work models, and the importance of thoughtful leadership in contact centers. They explore the reasons behind companies' push for employees to return to the office, the impact of remote work on productivity, and the need for effective communication and community building in the workplace.

    Takeaways

    There is a significant push for employees to return to the office post-COVID.
    Many companies are struggling with the logistics of bringing employees back.
    The culture argument for returning to the office is often unfounded.
    Remote work has shown to be as productive, if not more so, than in-person work.
    Contact centers have been slower to adopt remote work models compared to other industries.
    Leaders need to be intentional about fostering community in the workplace.
    Hybrid work models are challenging to implement effectively.
    Companies should leverage the opportunity to build stronger teams when employees are in the office.
    Effective communication tools are essential for maintaining productivity in contact centers.
    Workforce management is crucial for understanding employee needs and optimizing operations.

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    15 mins