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Why Belonging Matters More Than Fitting In with Kathryn Jacob OBE

Why Belonging Matters More Than Fitting In with Kathryn Jacob OBE

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 Rachel and Marco sit down with Kathryn Jacob OBE – CEO of Pearl & Dean, co-author of three best-selling books, and one of the most thoughtful voices in British media. From her early career chaos with Chris Evans to her OBE-worthy work on inclusion, Kathryn shares honest, funny and insightful lessons on leadership, resilience, and knowing when to change your shoes (yes, literally and metaphorically). Follow us: https://www.tiktok.com/@thezoo.london https://www.instagram.com/thezoo.london/ https://thezoo.london Chapters:05:30 – Kathryn'ss Career in 60 seconds: Virgin Media, cinema, and more08:00 – Getting an OBE (and nearly mistaking it for a tax demand)10:00 – Creating cultures of inclusion and true belonging12:00 – The power of mentorship and finding your “hand at your back”18:00 – Biggest career fuck-up: wearing the wrong ‘shoes’22:30 – Why “fitting in” isn’t the same as “belonging”24:00 – Behind the books: The Glass Wall, Belonging, and Creativity28:00 – Creativity, elitism, and letting go of the gatekeepers31:00 – What real leadership looks like (hint: it’s not ego)34:30 – Magpie moments: learning from others36:50 – Final advice: if it doesn’t feel right, it might not be you Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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