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The Living Conversation

The Living Conversation

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The Living Conversation is a podcast on philosophy, clarity, and the art of living well. Hosted by Adam Dietz and Anthony Wright, it blends Eastern and Western wisdom, from Confucius and Socrates to the questions we face today. We explore how to live with sincerity, presence, and joy; not in theory, but in daily life. This show airs biweekly on KWMR, alternating with Dr. Wright’s program Attunement, and appears here in podcast form with added reflections and ways to stay connected. For those drawn to a more thoughtful way of living, we invite you to join the conversation. https://thewaybetween.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast (thewaybetween.substack.com)The Way Between Personal Development Personal Success Philosophy Social Sciences Spirituality
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  • From Firewood to Enlightenment: The Remarkable Story of Hui Neng
    Aug 4 2025

    The narrative presented in this episode elucidates the profound journey of Hui Neng, the first patriarch of Zen Buddhism, whose extraordinary life trajectory defied the conventions of his time. Initially an illiterate and impoverished laborer, Hui Neng's serendipitous encounter with the recitation of the Diamond Sutra catalyzed his instant enlightenment, marking a pivotal moment in the evolution of Zen thought. This episode delves into the intricate interplay between Buddhism and Taoism, expounding upon the philosophical underpinnings that shaped Hui Neng's experiences and teachings. We further explore the ensuing contest within the monastery, where Hui Neng's unorthodox insights challenged the established paradigms of enlightenment and knowledge. Through a detailed examination of his life and the implications of his teachings, we aim to illuminate the enduring legacy of Hui Neng and his revolutionary approach to spiritual awakening.

    The narrative encapsulates the remarkable journey of Hui Neng, the sixth patriarch of Zen Buddhism, who emerged from obscurity to become a pivotal figure in the spiritual landscape of China. Born into a family that faced political ostracism, Hui Neng lived in Guangdong province, distanced from the cultural and intellectual heart of the country. Despite his humble beginnings as an illiterate wood gatherer, his life took a transformative turn upon hearing the Diamond Sutra, a text revered for its profound insights. This moment of revelation catalyzed his enlightenment, allowing him to perceive the essence of mind without formal education or prior study. His subsequent journey to a monastery to further explore Buddhism is marked by both physical and metaphorical challenges, emphasizing the theme of perseverance in the quest for spiritual understanding. Hui Neng's story serves as a poignant reminder of the potential for enlightenment irrespective of one's social status or educational background, ultimately culminating in his recognition as a leader in Zen Buddhism, where he challenged established norms and advocated for a direct, personal experience of enlightenment beyond scholarly pursuits.

    Takeaways:

    • Huineng, the first patriarch of Zen Buddhism, emerged from a humble background marked by adversity and ignorance.
    • The Diamond Sutra played a pivotal role in Huineng's enlightenment, signifying its profound impact on Buddhist philosophy.
    • The story of Huineng illustrates the concept of sudden enlightenment, challenging traditional beliefs about intellectual attainment in Buddhism.
    • Buddhism and Taoism share a deep connection, as evidenced in the teachings and practices that influenced Zen Buddhism's development.

    Links referenced in this episode:

    • theonaut.com
    • dietzadam@gmail.com
    • thewaybetween.substack.com

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    28 mins
  • From Stagnation to Innovation: A Path Forward
    Jul 29 2025

    The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the notion of attunement and the necessity of revitalizing stagnant ideas within our society. We delve into the metaphor of decay, illustrated by an image from Chinese philosophy depicting a bowl of food that has become infested, symbolizing the stagnation of both creativity and political thought. We advocate for the urgent need to "clean the bowl," which entails acknowledging the current state of disarray and the prevalence of unhelpful ideas that pervade public discourse. Through our discussion, we emphasize the value of independent thinking and the importance of fostering a humane society that embraces diverse perspectives, particularly in the context of our nation’s immigrant heritage. Ultimately, we contend that a commitment to deep reflection and a collective effort toward humanity can lead us toward a more vibrant and just society.

    This image of “cleaning the bowl” comes from the I Ching…a root text of both Taoism and Confucianism.

    We talk about how ideas decay, and how the Way calls us to renew them: not with outrage, but with alignment.

    This clip is from The Living Conversation, our ongoing dialogue on clarity, rhythm, and return.

    #taoism #iching #stillness #philosophy #culturalrenewal #clarity


    Get full access to The Way Between at thewaybetween.substack.com/subscribeTakeaways:

    • The conversation emphasizes the necessity of refreshing stagnant ideas to foster creativity and progress.
    • We discussed how acknowledging problems is essential to address and improve societal issues effectively.
    • Immigrants are portrayed as vital sources of innovation and resilience within our evolving society.
    • The podcast highlights the importance of broad education as a foundation for independent and humane thinking.
    • Stagnation in societal ideas can lead to decay, necessitating a concerted effort to revive them.
    • Humanity and the acknowledgment of historical injustices are crucial for a more united and compassionate society.


    The discussion commences with Anthony Wright and Adam Dietz sharing their reflections on the current societal climate, characterized by a sense of stagnation and discontent. Wright introduces a potent metaphor derived from Chinese philosophy, specifically a hexagram signifying decay. The imagery of a stagnant bowl of food corrupted by maggots serves as a profound analogy for the ideas and creative energies that have become stagnant within contemporary discourse. Rather than attributing blame to individuals, Wright emphasizes that it is the ideas themselves that have failed to evolve, leading to a cultural malaise. He posits that just as one must clean a decayed bowl, we too must refresh our ideas to rejuvenate our collective consciousness and foster a more humane society. Through this lens, the conversation invites listeners to reflect deeply on the nature of our political and cultural landscape, urging an acknowledgment of the decay present in our ideologies and the necessity of renewal.


    As the dialogue unfolds, the hosts explore the historical context of immigration in the United States, recognizing it as a vital source of vitality and innovation. Dietz underlines the resilience and determination of immigrant populations throughout history, suggesting that their contributions have been instrumental in shaping the nation’s character. This leads to a broader discussion on the need for a comprehensive educational framework that promotes independent thinking and a well-rounded understanding of the world. The hosts assert that a liberal education, encompassing the humanities, arts, and sciences, is essential for nurturing engaged and thoughtful citizens. They advocate...

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  • The Sanity Clause: Sorting Truth from Noise in a Distracted World
    Jul 17 2025

    In this closing segment of The Living Conversation, Adam and Anthony reflect on how to stay grounded when trust breaks down, institutions collapse, and cultural conversation becomes incoherent.

    They explore Confucius’ warning about those who only seek profit, the modern loss of good-faith discussion, and how Lao Tzu’s teachings help us sort through confusion…like letting sediment settle in muddy water.

    You’ll also hear about Plato’s cave, the Marx Brothers’ “sanity clause,” and why treating ourselves as “wastewater professionals” might be the most spiritual practice of all.

    Featuring:– The fallacy of false equivalence– The social cost of abandoning trust– Taoist clarity as inner filtration– An invitation to rebuild wisdom together

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