If my son or daughter came to me and said, “Dad, I’m thinking about joining a fraternity or sorority,” I’d probably say no, but not for the reasons you think.

In this episode, I share my own story of pledging Kappa Alpha Psi, why I joined, why I left, and how my perspective has changed over the years. I’ve seen people go back and forth for decades about whether Christians should denounce Black Greek life. Some call it idolatry; others call it community. I’ve lived both sides of it.

We talk about the real history behind these organizations, why fear often drives the conversation, and what the Bible actually says about things like oaths, culture, and conscience. This isn’t about picking sides, it’s about being consistent and letting your faith lead your decisions instead of fear.

Whether you’ve pledged, denounced, or just don’t get the hype, I think this will give you something to think about.

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Apologist and evangelist Preston Perry joins Lecrae on The Deep End for a raw and thoughtful conversation about defending the faith without losing compassion. From debating Hebrew Israelites and Muslims to raising kids in a spiritual war, Preston breaks down why winning arguments isn’t the same as winning souls — and how empathy, truth, and obedience work together in evangelism.

They dive deep into:

• The difference between apologetics and argument
• How to spot the line between boldness and pride
• Reaching people who’ve been hurt by religion
• What Christians get wrong about empathy
• The truth about Hebrew Israelites, Islam, and false religions
• Breaking generational curses and fatherhood in a dark world
• The controversy around Charlie Kirk, race, and idolatry in the church

If you’ve ever wondered how to stand firm in truth while still leading with love — this episode will challenge and encourage you to do both.

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Dr. Tony Evans sits down with Lecrae for one of his most powerful and personal interviews yet. From growing up in Baltimore to becoming one of the most influential pastors of our time, Dr. Evans opens up about his father’s radical transformation, his journey as one of the first Black students at Dallas Theological Seminary, and how he built Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship.

They dive deep into the tensions of race, theology, and unity in the church, the hidden cost of leading a megachurch, raising godly kids in the public eye, and what spiritual warfare really looks like behind the scenes. Dr. Evans also shares how he navigated profound grief and loss, what it means to trust God in the dark, and the legacy he hopes to leave behind.

This conversation is a masterclass in faith, leadership, and resilience — with timeless wisdom for anyone navigating pain, calling, or cultural chaos.

Watch this episode to hear:

– How Tony Evans’ father’s conversion changed their family forever

– What it was like being one of the first Black seminarians in Dallas

– The hidden spiritual battles behind leadership and ministry

– How to raise a godly family in a glass house

– Why unity in the church reveals the glory of God

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