Vanessa Sauter and Brennan Lodge join Caroline Wong for an intense discussion of red (offensive) and blue (defensive) capabilities and how artificial intelligence is changing each. Vanessa ponders the ability for artificial intelligence to generate more secure code than a human can, and stresses the importance of red teaming and manual penetration testing when it comes to the use of LLMs. Brennan describes how artificial intelligence can be used to manage governance, risk and compliance requirements and frameworks.

Caroline Wong and Daniel Miessler discuss reconstruction of productivity stacks as an example of artificial intelligence in practice. They consider the role of attacker capabilities in today's cybersecurity landscape and how power dynamics are shifting due to AI enablement and augmentation. In a real-time race between attacker and defender to be the first to model the most accurate attack surface for an organization, who wins - and why?