Technical expertise is merely table stakes in the AEC industry. How firms approach their relationship-building is the true differentiator, with the potential to completely change the game for decision-makers. Brad Thurman, Chief Marketing Officer at Wallace Design Collective, shares his experience to help firms nurture authentic relationships — and knock cold outreach down from the top of their priority list.

Brad unpacks three relationship-building principles that helped transform his firm into a powerhouse with more than 300 professionals across eight offices: prioritizing responsive communication, celebrating client milestones and aligning authentic connection with the firm’s core values. As he puts it, "It's not just a product ... It's buying into the entire life of a project."

• The ineffectiveness of cold outreach in the AEC industry, and the burden it puts on potential clients.

• Why technical competence is merely table stakes in winning business.

• Practical ways to celebrate client milestones and deepen connections.

• The importance of aligning relationship development with a firm's core values.

• Examples of simple gestures that can make big differences in nurturing long-term relationships.

Brad Thurman, P.E., FSMPS, CPSM, is a Principal and Chief Marketing Officer of Wallace Design Collective, a professional consulting firm offering structural and civil engineering, landscape architecture, surveying and assessments. He joined Wallace in 1987 and is a licensed professional engineer. Since 1998, Brad has helped lead Wallace’s marketing and business development efforts across four disciplines and eight offices. He is a past president of the Oklahoma chapter of the Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS), served as the 2013-2014 President on the SMPS national board, and is a past president of the SMPS Foundation board of trustees. Brad is a certified professional services marketer, was named a Fellow of SMPS in 2009 and was inducted into the SMPS Oklahoma hall of fame in 2015. He was also elected to the National Academy of Construction in 2018.

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"We didn't want to be somebody that just came in and it was about the bottom line and the revenue. It was about being a part of the community."

In this episode, Michelle Calcote King sits down with Optima Engineering Director of Marketing & Growth Suzanne Epps to discuss why it is a mistake for AEC marketers to blindly transplant their existing strategies when entering new markets.

Through Optima's recent launch in Greenville, South Carolina, Suzanne demonstrates how becoming a true community partner — not just a service provider — creates lasting relationships that outperform traditional advertising investments. She shares practical tactics for leveraging strategic differentiators, such as sustainable design expertise and local community involvement, to build trust and credibility in new markets.

• Why simply replicating strategies from one market to another doesn't work and how Optima adapted its approach for the Greenville market.

• The strategic importance of establishing a physical office presence when entering a new market.

• How to identify and showcase measurable differentiators that resonate with clients in different markets.

• Effective ways to build brand awareness and community relationships without excessive marketing spend.

• The importance of asking questions and understanding what works in each unique community.

• How Optima leverages its expertise in sustainable design and net-zero energy solutions as a key differentiator.

• The balance between data-driven decisions and community engagement in market entry strategies.

Suzanne Epps joined Optima Engineering in 2021 and is the Director of Marketing & Growth. With more than 20 years of industry experience, Suzanne is an accomplished marketing and recruitment professional with a passion for connecting top talent with exceptional opportunities. She has developed a deep understanding of both marketing strategies and the intricacies of talent acquisition. Suzanne has a proven track record of driving successful campaigns that generate brand awareness, increase customer engagement and boost revenue. She excels in crafting compelling marketing messages, developing comprehensive marketing plans and leveraging digital platforms to reach target audiences effectively. Suzanne’s collaborative and strategic approach to marketing and recruitment has enabled her to build strong relationships with clients, candidates and colleagues.

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Reputation Ink understands how sophisticated corporate buyers find and select professional services firms. For more than a decade, they have helped firms grow through thought leadership-fueled strategies, including public relations, content marketing, video marketing, social media, podcasting, marketing strategy services, creative services and more.

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In this episode of “Spill the Ink,” Michelle Calcote King speaks with Amanda Waesch, who chairs marketing and business development at Brennan, Manna & Diamond (BMD), about navigating work-life balance in the demanding legal profession. Amanda shares her experiences developing her firm's inaugural maternity policy, advocating for flexible work arrangements and building authentic relationships with clients that respect boundaries.

The conversation explores how law firms can better support women's careers through progressive policies, the importance of setting expectations with clients and practical strategies for maintaining professional excellence while prioritizing personal commitments. Amanda offers valuable insights for attorneys at all career stages on bringing their authentic selves to work while establishing healthy boundaries.

• How to establish healthy boundaries with clients by building authentic relationships that allow for mutual respect and clear expectations.

• The importance of flexible work policies in law firms, including part-time arrangements and supportive maternity leave for both women and men.

• Strategies for saying “no” effectively while still maintaining excellent client relationships and personal well-being.

• How mentorship and transparency with junior attorneys help create cultures that support work-life balance in high-pressure legal environments.

Amanda Waesch serves as Brennan, Manna & Diamond's Marketing and Business Development Chair. She operates a national healthcare practice, focusing on healthcare, employment law, corporate law and healthcare litigation. Waesch advises all types of employers on various matters, particularly healthcare providers including hospitals and physicians.

She chairs the firm's litigation team, which is responsible for handling all reimbursement audits and appeals for healthcare clients and heads up BMD's Provider Relations, Audit, Appeals and Negotiations Unit (PRAAN). This unit manages all-payer audits, appeals, overpayments and payment extrapolations.

Waesch has practiced law since 2008 and is licensed in Florida, Ohio and Tennessee.

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Founded by Michelle Calcote King, Reputation Ink is a marketing and public relations agency that serves B2B professional services firms of all shapes and sizes across the United States, including corporate law firms and architecture, engineering and construction (AEC) firms.

Reputation Ink understands how sophisticated corporate buyers find and select professional services firms. For more than a decade, they have helped firms grow through thought leadership-fueled strategies, including public relations, content marketing, video marketing, social media, podcasting, marketing strategy services, creative services and more.

To learn more, visit www.rep-ink.com or email them at info@rep-ink.com today.