Episode 14

In Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Kathy Hagler and Robin Graham, we delve into the Four Path Journey, the conscious habits of thriving, and the “flock logic” that transforms individuals into leaderful teams.

Show Notes:

In this follow-up to Part 1, we dive deeper into the leadership lessons inspired by nature’s most graceful display of collective intelligence, murmuration. Dr. Kathy Hagler and Robin Graham, co-authors of The ABCs of Murmuration: Collective Wisdom of Nature, share practical stories and tools for building leaderful cultures in any organization.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• How the Four Path Journey moves leaders and teams from “me” to “we” to “us.”
• What it means to embrace an evolutionary mindset and envision murmuration in your workplace.
• The power of the conscious habits of thriving: Step Up, Step Back, and Step Together.
• Why “flock logic” favors small, connected groups—and how to apply this principle in your team.
• How TD Industries built a century-long culture of leaderful leadership.

Reflection Questions:

1. Which idea from the Four Path Journey resonates most with your current leadership context?
2. How can you embrace an evolutionary mindset as you lead your team?
3. Where could stepping back create more space for others to lead?

Resources & Links:

• The ABCs of Murmuration book on Amazon
• Learn more at https://www.abcsofmurmuration.com
• MACRO Leadership, by Michael Cottam: https://amzn.to/476zHRP

The technology we used

• Shure MV7+ Microphone: https://amzn.to/4obxnPC
• Shure MV7i Microphone with Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3GX0Jkb

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