• Liberal trends, populist politics: who is going to win out? Podcast with Rob Ford
    Aug 3 2025

    The latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts sees a return to the show for Professor Rob Ford. We dive into my favourite political paradox to discuss with him: the long term liberalising trends in British politics and yet the run of wins for the Conservatives and populist right. Who is going to come out on top?

    Feedback very welcome, and do share this podcast with others who you think may enjoy it.

    Show notes

    • What caused Brexit? Previous podcast with Rob Ford.
    • Sunder Katwala / British Future on 'balancers' on immigration.
    • Depending on your definitions, this person was a century and more ahead of those we mentioned in the podcast in being someone from an ethnic minority who became both Chancellor and then Prime Minister.
    • Glaciers.
    • The British General Election of 2024 by Rob Ford, Tim Bale, Will Jennings and Paula Surridge is now available to pre-order: Amazon, Waterstones.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • What's happened to those who voted Labour in 2024?
    Jul 6 2025

    The latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts sees me discuss with polling expert Steve Akehurst what has happened to Labour's July 2024 vote.

    We dive into the characteristics of those who voted for Starmer but are now flirting with Farage, as well as ask whether those folk are really the whole story.

    Show notes

    • Getting to know ‘Reform curious Labour voters’ by Steve Akehurst.
    • What would make Labour defectors more positive about Labour?
    • The problems with polling averages.
    • Labour's problem is a Michael Barber not a Morgan McSweeney one.
    • Pollsters split over what's happened to Labour's 2024 vote: I have now done the crosstabs analysis we talk about on the show.
    • The County Durham by-election mentioned on the show.
    • Steve Akehurst on Bluesky.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
    • Downing Street street name sign: photo by PublicDomainPictures from Pixabay and used under the Pixabay license.
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    50 mins
  • Liberalism: a great new book focusing on what politicians do
    Jun 8 2025

    The latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts features an interview with Emeritus Professor Jonathan Parry, whose new book, Liberalism, explores the history of liberalism as a political idea in Britain.

    Parry emphasises that liberalism is best understood through the actions of politicians rather than the abstract theories of political intellectuals.

    Feedback very welcome, and do share this podcast with others who you think may enjoy it.

    Show notes

    • Liberalism by Jonathan Parry: Amazon, Bookshop.org or Waterstones.
    • Professor Jonathan Parry.
    • Previous podcast with Duncan Brack about Jo Grimond.
    • Photo of Big Ben CC0 Public Domain.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
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    56 mins
  • Local elections 2025: the Lib Dem verdict
    May 7 2025

    The latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts saw me team up with John Potter and the Lib Dem Pod team to discuss the local elections. How did they go for the Liberal Democrats and what lessons are there for the party?

    Show notes

    • Some highlights from the local election results.
    • Lib Dem Pod.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Podcast: First impressions of the House of Lords
    Apr 3 2025

    John Potter of the Lib Dem Pod quizzed me about my first experiences of the House of Lords for our latest joint podcast.

    Show notes

    • Lib Dem Pod.
    • The Government Chief Whip's Ring Binder.
    • Photograph © House of Lords 2024 / photography by Roger Harris.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
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    55 mins
  • Jeremy Thorpe: European triumph, political leadership and personal scandal
    Mar 9 2025

    The latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts is another in the occasional series looking back at previous party leaders with Duncan Brack.

    This time we pick over Jeremy Thorpe's career - securing Britain's place in Europe, leading the Liberal Party to national prominence and then mired in scandal. What to make of it all?

    Show notes

    • Our previous episode about Jo Grimond - www.markpack.org.uk/161656/jo-grimond-podcast/
    • Our interview of Jeremy Thorpe - www.markpack.org.uk/1486/jeremy-thorpe-interview/
    • Jeremy Thorpe and Jimi Hendrix - www.mediastorehouse.co.uk/memory-lane-prints/mirror/0100to0199-00163/jeremy-thorpe-jimi-hendrix-concert-jimi-hendrix-21541729.html
    • Other photos of Jeremy Thorpe looking stylish - www.gettyimages.co.uk/search/2/image?family=editorial&phrase=jeremy%20thorpe&sort=oldest&recency=daterange&begindate=1960-01-01&enddate=1980-01-01
    • Peter Cook satirises the judge's summing up in the trial of Jeremy Thorpe - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U
    • Duncan Brack on Bluesky - bsky.app/profile/duncanbrack.bsky.social
    • The Lib Dem History Group is at liberalhistory.org.uk
    • Jeremy Thorpe by Michael Bloch is available from Amazon - amzn.to/41QQUf5 - Bookshop.org - uk.bookshop.org/a/588/9780349142203 - and Waterstones - tidd.ly/3DhN31o
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee: hugoleemusic.com
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    50 mins
  • How to explain, and beat, populism
    Feb 15 2025

    Peter Kellner join sme to discuss a new report on what is going wrong with our politics, and the solutions. No surprise then that our conversation focused on populism, its causes and how liberals can defeat it.

    Show notes

    • Disruptive Delivery: Meeting the Unmet Demand in Politics, with polling from Deltapoll.
    • The Challenge of Affluence: Self-Control and Well-Being in the United States and Britain since 1950 by Avner Offer (affiliate link).
    • An example from the 1990s of failing to predict the political future.
    • How incumbent governments did badly in elections in 2024.
    • The three humped graph from the report.
    • Liberal Democrat achievements in government.
    • Lib Dem policymaking on AI.
    • Peter Kellner's polling newsletter.
    • The Week in Polls.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
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    43 mins
  • The surprising similarity between Tony Blair and Nigel Farage
    Jan 20 2025

    The latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts saw Paula Surridge return to the show, talking about the impact of political values and of perceived competence on recent general elections. We got into some surprising similarities between Tony Blair and Nigel Farage, as well as ways in which Boris Johnson and Gordon Brown were the same.

    Take a listen to find out how on earth we ended up there.

    Show notes

    • "Values in the Valence Election: Fragmentation and the 2024 General Election" by Paula Surridge. Also in blog form here.
    • Why we made a joke about cease and desist letters.
    • The graph which we mentioned.
    • Paula Surridge on Bluesky and Substack.
    • Theme tune by Hugo Lee.
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    51 mins