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The conversation begins with vulnerable stories of each man's journey into ministry—paths marked by uncertainty, divine intervention, and unexpected turns. AJ shares how he abandoned his dream of becoming a comedian after God spoke through dreams, leading him instead to youth ministry. Justin recounts how his initial skepticism of church drove him to create something "authentic," only to discover God had been preparing him for ministry all along through a powerful vision.

Most striking is their unified testimony that ministry success isn't measured by growth, acclaim, or visible fruit. "How do you know you're called to this?" one asks. The answer comes with striking simplicity: "Because I'm still here." True calling persists through disappointment, through seasons where nothing works, through criticism and doubt.

Perhaps most poignant is their discussion of Amy Carmichael's poem "No Scar," which captures the essence of authentic ministry: "Hast thou no wound, no scar? Yet as the Master shall the servant be." The wounds acquired in faithful service aren't failures—they're evidence of having followed Jesus into the battle.

Whether you're questioning your own calling or simply seeking to understand the hidden realities of ministry life, this conversation offers both challenge and comfort: count the cost, prepare for pain, but know that in that painful obedience, you'll discover a joy that makes every scar worthwhile.

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