Derek and Carl are joined by the most recent National Park Service Director, Chuck Sams. Topics include everything from getting blacklisted to Bigfoot to 3 suggestions Carl makes to improve the NPS system for backpackers and visitors. And, of course, there’s National Parks trivia.

Some of the Topics Covered:

-Getting rid of Recreation.gov

-How to become the next NPS director

-National Parks trivia for the NPS director

Check out the work Chuck Sams is doing for the Yale Center for Environmental Justice…as well as The University of Oregon Law School.

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