This episode welcomes Dr. Haesun Moon, Dr. Christian van Nieuwerburgh, and Michael Bungay Stanier to talk about something that feels more important than ever: friendship—especially in tough times.

We explore the difference between being friendly and being a true friend, and what it takes to build real, lasting connections. We talk about intention, vulnerability, radical listening, and how we can stay in relationship even when we disagree.

Throughout the conversation, we share personal stories, practical strategies, and a lot of heart. Friendship isn’t just something that happens—it’s a skill we can develop with effort, reflection, and kindness.

Our hope is that this episode encourages listeners to lean into meaningful connections with curiosity and courage.

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