This week Julia Fulton (Float) joins us on Looks Good on Paper to break down why hiring in 2025 has got to shift away from praising perfection, to rewarding potential. From compensation transparency to why she’s never read a cover letter, Julia breaks down what top teams are doing (and should be doing) differently in 2025.

In this week's episode we'll cover:

• Why sharing compensation upfront changes everything for candidates (and why everybody deserves to know)
• How hiring the "perfect fit" conceals the hidden bias that limits team growth
• What might help replace the CV - and why authentic responses matter more

👧🏻 Guest Bio

Julia Fulton is the Talent Manager at Float, a global, async-first company whose philosophy is all about doing your best work, while living your best work life. Float is fast on the rise, and for Julia, it’s all about championing the candidate experience, and having complete transparency — rooted in her own path into tech, and the belief that great hiring balances rigor with undoubtable humanity.

📄 About Looks Good on Paper / Willo

Looks Good on Paper is your weekly source for hot takes from modern talent leaders, recruiters, and powered by Willo, the async video platform helping teams hire faster-and more thoughtfully-at scale.

Chapters
00:00 – Intro to Looks Good on Paper & Julia Fulton (Float)
00:54 – Julia’s hiring philosophy and Float’s async global model
02:15 – Biggest hiring mistake: hiding compensation + key details
03:45 – The “Spider-Man meme” salary dance and why it’s broken
04:26 – Float’s radical transparency + public employee handbook
04:45 – “Same work, same pay” across geographies
06:38 – Candidate experience, no ghosting, and re-engaging talent
08:03 – Hidden bias: hiring perfection vs. growth potential
09:41 – Non-traditional backgrounds and the skills we underestimate
11:41 – If CVs disappeared: application questions & Loom alternatives
14:19 – Why generic cover letters (even AI ones) fail
16:18 – Letting candidates present in their strength format
17:38 – Role skills vs. interview skills
18:12 – AI in hiring: where it helps and where humans stay vital
19:49 – Going analog again: protecting voice and culture
20:37 – BoBo the cat cameo + wrap-up

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Show Resources

• Willo: willo.video - The most cost-effective way to screen candidates at scale. Interview candidates anywhere & at any time
• CV Free Toolkit: cvfree.me/join - Break up with the CV and get everything you need to modernize your hiring approach with skills-based assessments
• Anita Chauhan: linkedin.com/in/anitachauhan - Connect with the host

Jim Miller, VP of People & Talent at Ashby, joins Anita to unpack what’s really broken in modern hiring—from over-indexing on referrals to misusing AI in recruiting. If you’re a founder, talent leader, or recruiter, this one’s a playbook episode.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why over-relying on employee referrals can quietly damage quality of hire, talent density, and culture
• How Ashby designs job postings and closing dates to review 100% of applicants fairly
• A practical framework for protecting hiring manager time and raising the hiring bar
• Why resumes aren’t going away anytime soon—and what a “choose your own adventure” application flow could look like
• How intentional AI deployment will reshape hiring volumes and productivity by 2026

Guest Bio: Jim Miller, VP People & Talent at Ashby

Jim Miller leads the People and Talent team at Ashby, a modern recruiting platform built for high-growth teams. With 25+ years in talent acquisition, Jim has hired software engineers in London agencies, built Google’s early engineering org in London, led global inbound recruiting for 4–5 million applications a year, and even co-designed Google’s in-house ATS in just 30 days. After leading TA at FullStory and becoming an Ashby customer, he pitched himself into his current role—where he now helps teams scale hiring with both rigor and empathy.

About Willo / Looks Good on Paper

Looks Good on Paper is a snackable podcast for people leaders, recruiters, and founders, powered by Willo—the async video interview platform that helps teams hire more thoughtfully at scale.

📌 Chapters

00:17 – Welcome to Looks Good on Paper & intro to Jim Miller
00:47 – Jim’s journey: agencies, Google, FullStory, and pitching himself into Ashby
02:10 – The biggest hiring mistake: over-relying on employee referrals
04:13 – How Ashby treats referrals, inbound, and sourcing as one unified pipeline
05:54 – The hidden bias: only reviewing a slice of your applicant pool
07:38 – Using deadlines and data to review 100% of candidates (without burning out teams)
08:53 – Protecting hiring manager time while improving quality of hire
09:54 – Could we remove CVs completely? Legal, risk, and workload realities
12:11 – “Choose your own adventure” applications and helping candidates find the right role
13:58 – Jim’s 2026 prediction: intentional AI, productivity, and fewer hires
16:18 – Parkinson’s Law, Pomodoro, and making AI efficiency real for teams
16:51 – Wrap-up, Ashby resources, and where to learn more

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Show Resources

• Willo: willo.video - The most cost-effective way to screen candidates at scale. Interview candidates anywhere & at any time
• CV Free Toolkit: cvfree.me/join - Break up with the CV and get everything you need to modernize your hiring approach with skills-based assessments
• Anita Chauhan: linkedin.com/in/anitachauhan - Connect with the host

Clio’s hiring engine: real talk with Alyssa-Marie Lefebre (Senior TA Specialist, Clio).
How a 1,700-person legaltech scales recruiting without losing the human.

In this episode you’ll learn:

• The difference between culture fit and culture add—and how to interview for it.
• How to kill ambiguity bias with clear interview guides and prep.
• Why CVs/LinkedIn are useful and a “map of biases”—plus fair alternatives.
• Tactics for true candidate care at volume (prep calls, feedback loops).
• The TA stack behind Clio’s growth: Workday, LinkedIn, Gem, BrightHire/Gemini & more.

About Clio
Clio is a category-leading legaltech company transforming practice management with an AI-forward, human-centered approach. With 1,700+ employees, Clio continues to expand across EMEA and APAC.

About Looks Good on Paper / Willo
Looks Good on Paper is powered by Willo and hosted by Anita Chauhan. Simple, candidate-friendly one-way video interviews that help teams screen faster and fairer.

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Chapters

00:00 — Welcome & guest intro (Alyssa-Marie Lefebre, Clio)
02:11 — Clio’s scale: 1,700+ people, global growth & AI shift
03:34 — Biggest mistake: “culture fit” vs “culture add” (and values that work)
06:56 — Rewriting values: the “Recharge Your Way” lesson
09:19 — Hidden bias: ambiguity in interviews (and how to fix it)
11:47 — White-glove candidate experience at volume
13:02 — If CVs vanished: LinkedIn’s role & bias awareness
15:18 — Multiple application paths & equitable review systems
16:44 — Skills-based hiring, feedback calls & fair assessments
17:48 — The stack: Workday, LinkedIn, Gem, BrightHire/Gemini, no-code ops
20:40 — How to reach Alyssa (LinkedIn) & close

Guest Bio
Alyssa-Marie Lefebre is a Senior Talent Acquisition Specialist at Clio, where she’s helping build high-performing teams with scalable, people-driven processes. With nearly a decade in tech recruiting Alyssa champions transparent interviews, equitable evaluation, and candidate experiences that enable long-term growth.

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Show Resources

• Willo: willo.video - The most cost-effective way to screen candidates at scale. Interview candidates anywhere & at any time
• CV Free Toolkit: cvfree.me/join - Break up with the CV and get everything you need to modernize your hiring approach with skills-based assessments
• Anita Chauhan: linkedin.com/in/anitachauhan - Connect with the host