On Episode 76 of #LearningStories we chat with Eshna Benegal. For Eshna, dance is her first love and everything else comes secondary. She has been training in two forms of Indian classical dance, Odissi and Kathak, for the last 17 years. She works as a freelance writer and video editor by day, and a dance teacher and practitioner by night. Her formal training is in filmmaking and her Substack, the Deep Cut, is a place where she combines her two loves of film and dance. The platform is a space where she analyses, critically appreciates and fangirls over dance on screen. This year, her obsession with dance becomes official as she prepares to do her masters in the field of dance research. She hopes that through her research and her physical practice she can explore how dance can create meaning off the stage and how the form can be a space where all man-made boundaries can come to rest. You can find her on Substack, Youtube and Instagram.
Timestamps:
(00:10) - Introduction and Background
(02:30) - What are your earliest memories of dance?
(02:53) - "Dance is one of my favourite things in the world"
(03:00) - How did Bollywood influence your love and passion for dance?
(03:40) - "There is this joy of moving to music"
(04:30) - What dance forms did you first learn?
(04:45) - "I started training for dance at the age of 10"
(04:50) - "My mother first put me in a music class"
(05:35) - "In school I was constantly being picked for the dance groups"
(06:00) - "I realized dance makes my brain sing"
(06:05) - What are the common Indian dance forms?
(06:30) - How did you find your first dance teacher?
(07:00) - "I started with Odissi and then also started Kathak six years laters"
(08:00) - What are the eight Indian classical dance forms? (Manipuri is the eighth one)
(08:40) - "Each dance form is different based on the region they come from"
(08:50) - "Many dance forms originated in temples"
(09:00) - How is Kathak different from the other dance forms?
(09:20) - What is the importance of the Natyashastra to Indian dance traditions?
(09:50) - "All these dance forms are made to tell stories"
(10:00) - What is the difference between narrative and non narrative dance?
(10:30) - "In Bharatnatyam you will hear Carnatic Music"
(10:35) - "In Kathak you will hear Hindustani Music"
(10:40) - How is Indian dance different from Western dance?
(11:55) - What is Odissi and what is its historical relevance to Orissa?
(13:40) - "Dance was like the theatre of that age"
(14:15) - What was the experience of watching dance performance in ancient royal courts?
(14:50) - "Dance was a way for people to commune to enjoy art"
(14:58) - "In the classical world there is a problem with the word entertainment"
(16:00) - Was dance used to comment about social and political realities of the time?
(16:40) - "Dance research was not very well documented"
(18:30) - What was the importance of religion, royalty and language in dance?
(21:30) - What were you curious about at school apart from dance?
(21:50) - "I went to an alternative education school in Bengaluru"
(22:30) - "My school would push us to question things"
(24:30) - What is the relationship between authority, teaching and art?
(25:50) - "I was very curious and enjoyed learning"
(26:40) - "I studied psychology, biology, history and art in high school?"
(27:00) - What can dance teach you about the world?
(29:00) - Why did you study film making for four years at university?
(32:00) - How was film and dance connected for you as an artist?
(32:40) - "I wanted to write or edit films in the long term"
(33:00) - What films did you watch at film school?
(35:00) - What films would you recommend to other film lovers?
(40:00) - What is unique about story telling in India?
(43:00) - How stories change in different contexts and mediums?
(45:00) - Tell us about your creative projects (youtube channel, podcast, newsletter)?
(50:12) - Why do you write about dance in cinema in your newsletter?
(55:00) - Closing Thoughts