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Imogen Blood Podcast - Change Talk

Imogen Blood Podcast - Change Talk

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Change Talk explores the complex dynamics of social change through insightful conversations with experts, practitioners, and thought leaders. Hosted by Imogen Blood, a social research consultant and MSC training specialist, this podcast delves into practical approaches for creating meaningful change in society.

Imogen runs a social research company: https://www.imogenblood.co.uk/

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Episodes
  • Mark John-Williams on Circles Of Support
    Aug 21 2025

    In this episode, we hear from Mark John-Williams who has over 40 years experience in the care and support sector about the Circles of Support model and how it can mobilise family, friends, neighbours and acquaintances to provide support for an individual.

    Mark John-Williams: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-john-williams-99519289/

    His short video on Circles of Support: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ybw3DFVEQ

    Imogen runs a social research consultancy Imogen Blood & Associates:

    https://www.imogenblood.co.uk/

    She provides training on positive risk-taking in care and support.

    She also provides MSC training:

    https://www.seralliance.org/

    Discussed in the podcast:

    Supported Decision-Making: https://paradigm-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Print-copy-2023-MASTER-Supported-Decisions-Making-booklet-27-September-A5_Wiro_Bound_SEB.pdf.pdf

    Judith Snow: https://www.community-circles.co.uk/judith-snow-a-pioneer-woman/

    The Harvard Longitudinal Study: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/

    Gather My Crew: https://www.gathermycrew.org.au

    Here 2 There/ For Mi: https://www.here2there.me.uk

    Hilary Cottam: Radical Help: https://www.hilarycottam.com/radical-help/

    Chapters

    0:00 - Intro

    1:50 - What is a 'circle of support'?

    5:05 - Steps involved in setting up a circle

    11:05 - What if there's no one to invite?

    14:55 - How fits with paid services

    19:14 - Importance of relationships

    22:44 - Positive risk-taking and safeguarding

    33:15 - Relevance to homelessness/ addiction

    36:13 - Learning from the pandemic

    41:22 - Using apps to facilitate

    47:53 - Knowing how to help

    50:30 - Spreading the model

    1:02:00 - Reducing demand for health & care

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    1 hr and 8 mins
  • Most Significant Change part 2 - A deep dive with Nick Andrews
    Aug 7 2025

    Imogen revisits Most Significant Change - this time with Nick Andrews to explore the methodology in depth, discussing story collection, editing, and the transformative power of narrative evaluation in social care and beyond.

    Further resources from DEEP on MSC:

    A Storytelling Framework for Social Care in Wales: https://insightcollective.socialcare.wales/a-storytelling-framework-for-social-care-in-wales

    MSC blog: https://insightcollective.socialcare.wales/whats-on/news-and-blogs/from-metrics-to-meaning-most-significant-change-as-a-learning-focused-approach-to-evaluation-in-wales

    MSC film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0pk1clewI

    Discussed in the podcast:

    Rick Davies and Jess Dart: The Most Significant Change Technique - a guide to its use: https://mande.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/MSCGuide.pdf

    Neil Mercer on Oracy/ Exploratory Talk: https://oracycambridge.org/talk-rules/

    Glen Robert: Experience-based Co-production: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXG0G1LrK3I

    Rupert Higham on Dialogue Learning: https://sms.cam.ac.uk/media/2158639/

    Anne Edwards on Common Knowledge: https://www.education.ox.ac.uk/person/anne-edwards/

    Iain McGilchrist: The Matter with Things, podcast with Rebel Wisdom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U99dQrZdVTg

    ChangeTalk Podcast on Deep Democracy: https://youtu.be/1R_MMiCz6QE?si=pTxOPhqanhVH6o_l

    Imogen Blood for Joseph Rowntree Foundation - A Better Life: Valuing our Later Years: https://www.housinglin.org.uk/_assets/Resources/Housing/OtherOrganisation/older-people-support-full.pdf

    Imogen runs a social research consultancy Imogen Blood & Associates:

    https://www.imogenblood.co.uk/

    She also provides MSC training:

    https://www.seralliance.org/

    Nick Andrews is based at the University of Swansea:

    He delivers the DEEP project, funded by Social Care Wales: https://insightcollective.socialcare.wales/developing-evidence-enriched-practice-deep-2

    Chapters

    0:00 - Introduction

    1:22 - What is MSC?

    3:18 - How to collect stories

    9:04 - Neither life story nor case study

    12:35 - What caused the change?

    15:46 - Titles, editing, individuals v groups

    20:22 - Panels: story selection

    26:27 - When and why to use MSC?

    38:48 - Limitations/ health warnings

    45:45 - How to argue nicely

    57:00 - MSC process creates change

    01:10:00 - How we met/ Nick's work

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • Housing First with Nicholas Pleace
    Jul 18 2025

    Nicholas Pleace joins Imogen to discuss Housing First strategies, the European context, and how this approach is transforming homelessness services across the UK and beyond.

    Nicholas and I first worked together on the Housing First Feasibility Study for the Liverpool City Region (Crisis, 2017): full report; summary version.

    Housing First Guide Europe (2016), Nicholas Pleace for FEANTSA https://www.feantsa.org/download/hfg_full_digital1907983494259831639.pdf

    Discussed in the podcast:

    US sociologist, Teresa Gowan identified 3 caricatures of homelessness: ‘sin-talk’, ‘sick-talk’ and ‘system-talk’, as described here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334047769_Street_Talk_Homeless_Discourses_and_the_Politics_of_Service_Provision

    Malcolm Gladwell: Million-Dollar Murray: The New Yorker, 02/05/2006: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/02/13/million-dollar-murray

    Blood, Birchall & Pleace (2021) Reducing, Changing, or Ending Housing First support, Homeless Link: https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/197890/1/Reducing_changing_or_ending_Housing_First_support_2021_full_report.pdf

    Sam Tsemberis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Tsemberis

    In ‘A Traumatised System’ for Riverside, Nicholas and I describe the commissioning context for UK homelessness services: https://www.riverside.org.uk/care-and-support/homelessness-research-and-reports/a-traumatised-system/

    Supporting People programme: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/rp12-40/

    Housing First Fidelity Framework: we’ve recently published the framework Nicholas, Anita Birchall and I produced in 2019 here: https://www.imogenblood.co.uk/_files/ugd/775f77_2ccae7cd607e433da5c553c59081cd31.pdf

    Imogen runs a social research consultancy Imogen Blood & Associates:

    https://www.imogenblood.co.uk/

    She also provides MSC training:

    https://www.seralliance.org/

    Chapters

    00:00 - Nicholas’s research background

    3:15 - Adapting Housing First into the European context

    5:15 - What is Housing First?

    9:45 - Why does it work for individuals?

    13:15 - Systems change and Housing First

    15:52 - Evidence-based intervention in homelessness

    19:00 - Housing First’s origins in the US

    23:28 - Finland’s Housing First strategy

    26:02 - How Housing First developed in the UK

    34:00 - Comparison to Housing First in Italy

    35:30 - Impact of housing, health and care shortages on Housing First

    39:00 - Too thinly spread to have strategic impact

    43:50 - Preventing future demand

    48:27 - Lack of join up

    51:02 - Lack of step-up/ step-down options

    56:06 - What is needed?

    1:00:35 - The narrative gets in the way

    1:06:50 - Housing First as part of mental health pathway?

    1:12:50 - Fidelity to the model

    1:21:03 - End

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    1 hr and 23 mins
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