What exactly is a photobook? This episode is with longtime artist, bookmaker, photographer, writer, translator, and editor Hans Hickerson. For the past five years or so, Immaterial Voices host Brian O’Neill has been working as a critic, or at least, writing about photobooks, as Contributing Editor at The Photobook Journal. Hans is the Managing Editor of that publication and agreed to come on the show to share his experience.

In this conversation, Hans and Brian delineate the characteristics of the photobook, and in so doing, discuss numerous famous and lesser-known examples. They discuss how they evaluate books and some that have surprised them. They especially home in on questions that concern image-text photobooks and connections to literature, such as how photobooks represent places, historical epochs, and cultures. For example, how can text be used to complement, rather than dominate imagery? In approaching these topics, Hans also explains how he got into photobooks decades ago, what it meant then versus today, and how the field has changed. He also relates some fascinating stories and insights from his encounters with the likes of Lewis Baltz, Robert Adams, Jim Goldberg, and more. During the conversation, they also talk about the challenges of distribution, art book fairs, and gallery curation.

Notes:

Fishpond Press - https://hanshickerson.com/books

Kevin Cooley’s Wizard of Awe - https://www.eriskayconnection.com/the-wizard-of-awe/

John Volynchook’s Faultlines - https://gostbooks.com/en-us/products/faultlines

Jordan Baumgarten’s Family Tree Removal - https://smog-press.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/family-tree-removal

Kult Books - https://kultbooks.com

Sleeper Studio - https://sleeper.studio/INFO

Michel Tournier - https://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/nebraska/9780803244306/the-mirror-of-ideas/

The Yearbook Committee - https://www.theyearbookcommittee.com

Jordan Gale’s Long Distance Drunk - https://photobookjournal.com/2025/10/03/jordan-gale-long-distance-drunk/

Gary Alan Fine’s Talking Art - https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/T/bo28263673.html

Brian O’Neill - https://www.brianfoneill.net

Immaterial Books - https://www.immaterialbooks.com

Wyoming Toad - https://wyomingtoad.bandcamp.com/album/light-rail

In this conversation, Immaterial Voices host Brian O’Neill, sits down with photographer and artist Ryan Searl. Based in Illinois, Searl explores the places that seem off the beaten path, but that are not often too far from home. Across the seemingly endless horizon of industrial agriculture in the American Midwest, Searl locates the coordinates of poetic meaning, but also questions them, attentive to its many appropriations. In Searl’s multivalent landscape, we encounter, through his persistent approach, a place that evolves and to which he responds, as new issues, risks, and quiet joys unfold.

O’Neill and Searl talk about inspirations in the history of art, as well as from the Farm Security Administration photographers, independent filmmaking, ambient music, and more. Searl explains how he develops his projects and the tensions of when and how to include portraits, as well as how to engage and deepen one’s commitment to diverse communities over time. As they discuss, photobooks and zines, in particular, can offer a potential window into art and art worlds for those without formal art training and multiple publics, free from social pressures associated with traditional galleries.

Searl has an extensive bookmaking practice, working with risograph and other printing techniques. The latest project from Searl published by Immaterial Books is Primary Wires.

Notes:

Blurred Horizons Exhibit - https://www.immaterialbooks.com/fields-of-vision-2025

Ryan Searl - @ryan_ramsey

Primary Wires by Ryan Searl - https://www.immaterialbooks.com/store/p/primary-wires

South of Chicago by Tim Carpenter and Nathan Pearce - https://www.micamera.com/en/prodotto/south-of-chicago-tim-carpenter-nathan-pearce/

Democratic Vistas by Jason Lee and Tim Carpenter - https://smog-press.xyz/products/democratic-vistas

The Triggering Town - https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/69402/the-triggering-town

Russell Lee archive - https://lib.arizona.edu/special-collections/collections/russell-lee-photograph-collection

Analog Gallery - https://analogwines.square.site

Brian O’Neill - https://www.brianfoneill.net

Immaterial Books - https://www.immaterialbooks.com

Wyoming Toad - https://wyomingtoad.bandcamp.com/album/light-rail

In this conversation, Immaterial Voices host Brian O’Neill, sits down with photographer and artist Ciel Baptiste. Based in Illinois, Ciel has been exploring and experimenting with film photography, especially black and white, as a means to connect with the landscape and region.

In this conversation, O’Neill and Baptiste talk about inspirations in the history of art, as well as from the Farm Security Administration photographers, press photography (e.g., Jack Bradley), the history of documentary photography in Illinois, inspirations in cinema, garage sales, Instagram, and more. Throughout, Baptiste discusses the importance of experimentation and exploration in photography in the creation of projects. The most recent project of Baptiste’s work that has been published by Immaterial Books is En Plein Air.

While many photographers busy themselves in the studio, Baptiste is drawn to the airy landscapes of central Illinois. Charmed by waterlogged fields, termite-ridden barns, and the symmetry of phone lines and cornfields, Baptiste’s workis a collection of rural vistas and landmarks, moments frozen in time. For them, these images allude to distant memories of a once-bustling hub of agriculture, left to decay as the country aged. And yet, it remains a place of new questions and possibilities.

Notes:

Blurred Horizons Exhibit - https://www.immaterialbooks.com/fields-of-vision-2025

Jack Bradley photography archive - https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/bra_jack/id/1714/

Ciel Baptiste - https://www.cielbaptiste.com

Ciel Baptiste - @crrrrl

En Plein Air - https://www.immaterialbooks.com/store/p/en-plein-air

Champaign Urbana Small Press Fest - https://illinoislibraries.wixsite.com/smallpressfestcu

Analog Gallery - https://analogwines.square.site

Brian O’Neill - https://www.brianfoneill.net

Immaterial Books - https://www.immaterialbooks.com

Wyoming Toad - https://wyomingtoad.bandcamp.com/album/light-rail