Recorded right after the budget bill was voted in, first Lisa and Kari have their feelings then they realize this episode is more important than ever. They explore why play matters for adults—especially during times of stress and uncertainty. From spontaneous laughter to imaginative role-playing, play isn’t just a luxury—it’s vital for connection, healing, and mental health. Drawing on research from experts like Stuart Brown and the Blatners, they unpack why adults often resist play and how we can reconnect with our playful selves. With personal stories and thoughtful questions, they invite listeners to remember the kind of fun that once lit them up—and maybe still could.

Wanna connect with and PLAY with other fun women like yourself? JOIN Lisa and Kari for the Brave & Boundless Best Chapter Yet 2025 Fall Retreat at voco Downtown Chicago October 3-5, 2025 (typically a gorgeous time of year in Chi-town). You won’t wanna miss the chance to gather with other women in an intimate retreat setting with the vibrant backdrop of downtown Chicago, combined with the levity and fun that you’re craving more of in your life. Register now!

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