Can you be in a loving, committed relationship and still want… more?

Join as Michelle MiJung Kim takes us on a wild ride through her first open relationship experience—complete with thirst traps, identity crisis, communication breakdowns, and more spiraling than she cares to admit. What began as an exploration of freedom quickly turned into a crash course in boundaries, grief, and brutal self-awareness.

With guidance from polyamory experts Leanne Yau and Jessica Fern, Michelle unpacks what it means to honor your desires, and being courageous enough to face what surfaces when you do.

Whether you’re poly, monogamous, or somewhere in between, this episode is about letting our most intimate relationships serve as a portal to our desires, wounds, and opportunities for healing and deeper connection to ourselves and each other.

ABOUT THE EPISODE GUESTS

JESSICA FERN is a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional and an integrative practitioner with 25 years of experience and training in somatic, narrative, psychotherapeutic and spiritual therapies. She is the author of Polysecure: Attachment, Trauma and Nonmonogamy and The Polysecure Workbook, and co-author of Polywise: A Deeper Dive Into Navigating Open Relationships and Transforming the Shame Triangle: From Shame to Love Using Parts Work. Learn more about Jessica at https://www.jessicafern.com.

Follow Jessica on Instagram: @jessicafern411

Jessica’s Books: Polysecure; Polywise

LEANNE YAU is a British award-winning polyamory educator, writer, speaker, certified sex and relationships educator, and trainee psychosexual therapist whose work is all about non-monogamy and sex positivity. She creates educational and entertaining multimedia content about creating healthy and sustainable non-monogamous relationships, drawing from her lived experiences as a polyamorous, bisexual, neurodivergent, kinky, and Asian agender femme who has been openly non-monogamous since 2016. Learn more about Leanne at www.polyphilia.blog.

Follow Leanne on Instagram @polyphiliablog

ABOUT THE HOST, MICHELLE MIJUNG KIM

Michelle MiJung Kim is one of today’s most compelling voices on courage, complexity, and connection. With a voice that is both precise and expansive, Michelle helps people make sense of their inner worlds and the outer chaos. Through storytelling rooted in emotional honesty, she invites us to confront what’s hard, name what matters, and move through the world with deeper integrity and courage. She is the award-winning author of The Wake Up, a globally recognized speaker, and the producer and host of I Feel That Way Too, a narrative podcast that dares to ask life’s trickiest questions so we can feel less alone—and more alive—together. Whether on stage, on the page, or behind the mic, Michelle’s presence is a mirror and a call to courage—to live our lives more fully, to build resilient relationships, and to believe in the possibility of our personal transformation and collective liberation. Learn more about Michelle at www.michellemijungkim.com and follow her journey on Instagram @michellekimkim.

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What happens when your career—your identity, your income, your belonging—suddenly disappears?

In this intimate episode, Michelle MiJung Kim opens up about the collapse of her career after she chose to speak out about Palestine. One day she was a sought-after speaker and celebrated DEI leader. The next, her calendar was empty. The applause stopped. The invitations vanished. And she was left asking: Was any of it ever real?

Together with somatic coach and author Kelsey Blackwell, Michelle explores the painful unraveling of ambition, the burnout of performance, and the quiet grief of no longer wanting the life she once worked so hard to build.

This episode is a love letter to anyone who’s been let go, shut out, or burned out. Anyone who has lost a version of themselves. And anyone trying to find out who they are when the titles fall away.

If you are also longing to live a purposeful life in alignment with your values, this episode is for you.

ABOUT THE EPISODE GUEST, KELSEY BLACKWELL

Kelsey Blackwell is a cultural somatics practitioner dedicated to supporting women of color to trust and follow the guidance of the body so we may powerfully radiate our worth, dignity and wisdom in a world that sorely needs this brilliance. As a facilitator, coach, and speaker, she has brought abolitionist embodied practices to such diverse groups as riders on Bay Area Rapid Transit trains to students at Stanford University to the offices of LinkedIn. She works 1:1 with clients as well as leads the eight-week group program, Decolonizing the Body. Kelsey is the author of the viral article, Why People of Color Need Spaces Without White People, published by The Arrow Journal. She is a Certified InterPlay Leader, Strozzi Certified Somatic Coach, and holds a master’s degree in Publishing from the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern University. In addition to being impactful, Kelsey believes working towards personal and collective liberation must also bring joy. Learn more about Kelsey at www.kelseyblackwell.com

Follow Kelsey Blackwell on Instagram: @decolonizingthebody

Kelsey’s Book: Decolonizing the Body

ABOUT THE HOST, MICHELLE MIJUNG KIM

Michelle MiJung Kim is one of today’s most compelling voices on courage, complexity, and connection. With a voice that is both precise and expansive, Michelle helps people make sense of their inner worlds and the outer chaos. Through storytelling rooted in emotional honesty, she invites us to confront what’s hard, name what matters, and move through the world with deeper integrity and courage. She is the award-winning author of The Wake Up, a globally recognized speaker, and the producer and host of I Feel That Way Too, a narrative podcast that dares to ask life’s trickiest questions so we can feel less alone—and more alive—together. Whether on stage, on the page, or behind the mic, Michelle’s presence is a mirror and a call to courage—to live our lives more fully, to build resilient relationships, and to believe in the possibility of our personal transformation and collective liberation. Learn more about Michelle at www.michellemijungkim.com and follow her journey on Instagram @michellekimkim.

EPISODE CREDITS

This episode was produced by Geraldine Ah-Sue, Eunice Kwon, and Michelle MiJung Kim. Written by Michelle MiJung Kim and Geraldine Ah-Sue. The sound designer is Katie McMurran. Music by Katie McMurran, and Jiyeon Park. This podcast is brought to you by Asian American Futures.

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Let’s talk about the question that makes everyone squirm: “Why are so many Asian women with white men?”

In this raw and nuanced episode, Michelle MiJung Kim sits down with her longtime friend Christine (a Chinese American woman married to a white man) to unpack the tangled web of desire, race, loneliness, and belonging in interracial relationships—specifically those between Asian women and white men. From TikTok comment wars and the infamous "Oxford Study" to lived experiences of love, shame, fetishization, and survival, no stone is left unturned.

With radical honesty, Michelle shares her own dating history with white men and the uncomfortable questions it forced her to face:

“Am I internalizing racism through who I date?”

“Is love ever just love in a world shaped by white supremacy?”

“And what does it mean to feel seen, held, and understood in an interracial relationship?”

This episode holds space for all the complexities—without flattening anyone’s experience. Whether you’ve been in these relationships, judged them, or questioned your own desires, this conversation invites you to look inward with curiosity and compassion.

ABOUT THE HOST, MICHELLE MIJUNG KIM

Michelle MiJung Kim is one of today’s most compelling voices on courage, complexity, and connection. With a voice that is both precise and expansive, Michelle helps people make sense of their inner worlds and the outer chaos. Through storytelling rooted in emotional honesty, she invites us to confront what’s hard, name what matters, and move through the world with deeper integrity and courage. She is the award-winning author of The Wake Up, a globally recognized speaker, and the producer and host of I Feel That Way Too, a narrative podcast that dares to ask life’s trickiest questions so we can feel less alone—and more alive—together. Whether on stage, on the page, or behind the mic, Michelle’s presence is a mirror and a call to courage—to live our lives more fully, to build resilient relationships, and to believe in the possibility of our personal transformation and collective liberation. Learn more about Michelle at www.michellemijungkim.com and follow her journey on Instagram @michellekimkim.

EPISODE CREDITS

This episode was produced by Geraldine Ah-Sue, Eunice Kwon, and Michelle MiJung Kim. Written by Michelle MiJung Kim and Geraldine Ah-Sue. The sound designer is Katie McMurran. Music by Joyce Kwon, Katie McMurran, and Jiyeon Park. This podcast is brought to you by Asian American Futures.

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Full Transcript is Available Here

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