EPISODE 10

Serial CTO and Acompli co-founder JJ Zhuang joins Kevin and Jason to explain why the next generation of great products will be built by tiny, AI-super-powered teams. He unpacks lessons from taking Acompli’s first line of code to a $200 million Microsoft exit, steering Instacart through pandemic hyper-growth, and relearning to code with tools like GitHub Copilot, Cursor and Devin now writing the majority of his team’s code. Along the way JJ outlines the shift from hiring stack specialists to adaptable generalists, the rise of agentic “AI teammates,” and his mantra of “fast software” that lets founders prototype, test and ship at the speed of imagination—while still cutting through the 2025 hype cycle around agents and other buzzwords.

CHAPTERS

00:00 – Shots Fired: Surprising Start & Show Kick-off

01:52 – From Acompli to Outlook: Building All-Star Teams

06:11 – Instacart’s Pandemic Sprint & Early AI Adoption

11:50 – Pair-Programming vs. Agentic Devs: Devin, Cursor & More

22:12 – Fast Software & Filtering the 2025 AI Hype

LINKS

Connect with JJ Zhuang

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RESOURCES

GitHub Copilot

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Devin

Cursor

Windsurf

Augment

OpenAI Codex