This episode: Chris Naganuma joins the crew fresh off a trip to Ukraine, where he’s been working directly with frontline units, advising on drone tactics and strike operations against Russian targets. With a background spanning foreign military sales, pro shooting, OSINT analysis, and ground-level battlefield advising, Chris brings firsthand insight from a warzone most people only follow online. We break down one of the most devastating drone operations of the war: a $500K effort that took out a third of Russia’s bomber fleet using container trucks and one-way drone strikes. It’s the kind of asymmetric warfare the West talks about—but Ukraine is executing. We get into OSINT vs. mainstream media, why U.S. defense can’t build this way (yet), and how private industry could partner more directly with Ukrainian teams to learn, adapt, and scale. Chris lays out what it would take to repatriate those lessons—and why 1,000 U.S. govvies should be on the ground learning, not watching from afar. Also: deterrence vs. warfighting, rising risk tolerance, and why the drone supply chain won’t fix itself. Our Podcast: National security, defense tech, and geopolitics—serious topics, but that doesn’t mean we have to be boring about it. The Goat Rodeo Podcast brings you three military veterans turned defense insiders, breaking down the biggest stories shaping the future of warfare. Expect sharp insights, unfiltered debates, and the occasional defense industry hot take—because let’s be honest, this space can be a total goat rodeo. Listen on other platforms: Spotify: spoti.fi/3J1kGcO Apple Podcasts: apple.co/3IdB9gA YouTube: youtube.com/@GoatRodeoPodcast