In this raw, behind-the-scenes episode, Michael sits down with Justin from Willie Works to talk about the emotional weight of leadership—and why most of us are figuring it out as we go.

They dive deep into the stuff we don’t usually talk about:

✅ Crying in car parks and over-apologising
✅ Hiring mistakes and shifting from fixer to leader
✅ Building a team that actually solves problems
✅ Letting go of perfection (and being “too nice”)
✅ Creating a business that works for your real life

Justin shares how he built a thriving NDIS-facing business from scratch, the reality of growing an audience on LinkedIn and Instagram, and how his partner helps bring empathy to the process.

Whether you're leading a team, running your own business, or just trying to hold it all together—this episode is real talk for the managers in the middle.

🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3sruYKcihnI94xnKmL7Rv0
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📩 Message Michael for a personal intro to Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-clark-ndis
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