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Fluency in Feeling with Lisa Olivera

Fluency in Feeling with Lisa Olivera

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What if pain isn’t something to fix or escape—but a wise, living presence asking for our attention?

In this episode, Jennifer sits down with writer and therapist Lisa Olivera for a heartfelt conversation about relating to pain as a wise teacher, rather than an adversary. Drawing from Lisa’s personal journey—shaped by early experiences with a culture that teaches us to avoid pain—they explore:

  • The social narratives that keep us from feeling fully
  • The role of somatic practice in understanding our body’s intelligence
  • What it means to approach suffering with reverence
  • The slow, courageous path toward collective belonging

This episode invites you to deepen your fluency with feeling —in your body, the mystery of life and one another.

Links & Resources:

  • Learn more about Lisa’s therapeutic and written work
  • Sign up for Human Stuff, Lisa’s Substack
  • Get Already Enough, Lisa Olivera’s first book
  • Receive Jennifer’s biweekly newsletter
  • Connect with Jennifer on Instagram or LinkedIn


Gratitude for this show’s theme song Inside the House, composed by the talented Yukon musician, multi-instrumentalist and sound artist Jordy Walker. Artwork by the imaginative writer, filmmaker and artist Jon Marro.

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