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Finding The Courage To Change With Shae Millette and Howard Butt IV | Ep 24

Finding The Courage To Change With Shae Millette and Howard Butt IV | Ep 24

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Are we all just addicts chasing a dopamine hit — whether it's clicking buy now on Amazon or obsessively playing Blockblast? Maybe we're all in constant recovery, trading one vice for a so-called healthier one. In this raw and honest conversation, Shae and Howard share their path to sobriety, how they guide others through it, and why real recovery only works when you do it for yourself. They talk about when the fear of not changing outweighs the fear of changing, and how change moves at the pace of pain. Together, we explore what it takes to stop numbing and start living fully present.

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