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In this soul-nourishing conversation, I sit with the radiant Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail to explore how God crafted us from pure joy—not judgment—and why so many of us still battle self-hatred. We dismantle toxic theology, expose the dangers of Christian nationalism, and reclaim women’s erased leadership in early Christianity. Lizzie shares profound insights from her book God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us, teaching us the ‘spiritual discipline of joy’ even in grief or political chaos. If you’re weary of fear-based faith or longing to reconnect with divine love, this episode is your balm

TIMESTAMPED OVERVIEW

00:00 Julie’s Personal Journey & Podcast Mission

01:24 Introducing Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail

02:30 Core Question: "God Didn’t Make Us to Hate Us"

03:23 God Created Us Out of Joy (Not Wrath)

05:24 Lizzie’s Role as an Episcopal Priest Explained

07:17 Women’s Lost Leadership in Early Christianity

11:18 Systems Change: Reform Inside/Outside Institutions

16:03 Julie’s Mid-Episode Offerings & Announcements

21:25 Defining Christian Nationalism vs. True Christianity

25:40 Historical Parallels: Printing Press to Internet Age

30:29 Sin as Disconnection & Imperfection

33:38 Lizzie Reads from "Hell on Earth" (Book Excerpt)

39:30 Spiritual Discipline of Joy Amid Despair

52:07 How Service & Connection Cultivate True Joy