In this episode, Zen sits down with Brian Riegel, a true pioneer in the pole community. With more than a decade of experience, Brian was one of the early male performers to step onto a pole stage — challenging stereotypes and carving out space for men in a predominantly female art form.

Brian shares how his journey with pole began as an act of rebellion, a bold decision to push back against expectations and embrace something unconventional. What started as defiance soon turned into a deep source of expression, discipline, and community. Over the years, his passion for pole has taken him across the world — including competing in China, where he represented the artistry and athleticism of the sport on a global stage.

In this conversation, Brian opens up about:

• Why he first turned to pole as a way to break rules and claim his identity

• What it was like to be one of the few men in pole a decade ago

• How his motivations shifted over time, from rebellion to resilience and joy

• His experience competing in China and what he learned from the international community

• Why he encourages everyone to just “give it a try” — because you never know where it will take you

This is a conversation about risk, reinvention, and the unexpected power of saying yes to something new. Brian’s story proves that sometimes the very act of stepping out of line can lead you to your truest self.

✨ Connect with Brian on Instagram @riegelbrian

If his journey inspires you, please share this episode with someone who might need the courage to take their own first step.

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