What happens when a platinum-selling musician and a Catholic psychologist sit down to talk about suffering, creativity, and the soul? In this rich and unexpected conversation, Dr. Greg Bottaro welcomes Matt Maher—award-winning worship leader and featured guest for this year’s Summit of Integration—to explore the deep links between music, identity, and healing. Together, they unpack how true art gives voice to the heart, why presence matters more than performance, and how the Church can become a vital place of accompaniment for those struggling with mental health. Whether you’re an artist, a parent, or someone craving deeper meaning in the mess of life, this episode is for you.

Key Topics:

• The surprising parallels between leading worship and offering therapy
• Why music can reach the heart when words fail—and how it fosters healing
• The importance of presence over performance in both ministry and mental health
• How real art gives people back their voice, even in the midst of suffering
• What it means to live with creative constraints rooted in liturgical beauty
• Matt’s personal journey of faith, trauma, and healing in community
• The dangers of spiritual bypassing and the Church’s call to holistic care
• Why mental health struggles don’t define us—and how language matters
• The value of integration across psychology, spirituality, and artistry
• A preview of Matt’s special role at the upcoming Summit of Integration

Learn More:

• Summit of Integration (June 20–22, 2025): Join us in New Jersey—or virtually—for three powerful days of teaching, music, and community grounded in the Catholic understanding of what it means to be fully human. Learn more and reserve your ticket.
• Sanctuary Mental Health Ministries: Matt serves as an ambassador for this Christian organization offering free small-group resources on faith and mental health—including a Catholic-specific course now available on FORMED. Learn more at sanctuarymentalhealth.org
• The Road Less Traveled by M. Scott Peck
• Healing the Eight Stages of Life by M. Scott Peck
• The Wounded Healer and other works by Henri Nouwen
• The Context of Holiness by Fr. Marc Foley, OCD
• Need help? Schedule a free CatholicPsych consultation
• Want to help? Learn more about our Certification in Professional Accompaniment