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Episode 12

Episode 12

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In this deeply personal episode, my wife and I sit down to unpack one of the most sobering verses in the Bible—Matthew 7:21, where Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven…” Together, we wrestle with what it means to truly know Christ—and to be known by Him. Is it about doing the right things, or is there something deeper at the heart of faith? Join us as we reflect on our own spiritual journeys, share moments of conviction and grace, and explore the difference between religion and relationship. This is an honest, grace-filled conversation you won’t want to miss.


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In the spirit of reconciliation, Audible acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today.