Abby and Patrick sit down with writer Hilary Plum to discuss her remarkable new book, State Champ. A novel at which the politics of abortion stand at the center, but far from a didactically “political novel,” State Champ gives the three an opportunity to explore a suite of deeply psychoanalytic themes and topics: from the gap between our first-person experiences of our bodies to the claims and restrictions made by others on our bodily autonomy; from the purposes of protest to our motivations for undertaking them; from discourses about “regret” versus certainty and judgement; from the knowledge we anticipate to come from experiences versus things we know already versus things that others think they better; and from sex to eating disorders to humor to running and more. The three also reflect on writing and reading novels in 2025, genre, audiences, and on what communication and psychic change we hope fiction can achieve.

Hilary Plum, State Champ: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/state-champ-9781639735433/

Hilary’s website: http://www.hilaryplum.com/

Index for Continuance, a podcast about small press publishing, politics, and practice, hosted by Hilary Plum and Zach Peckham: https://www.csupoetrycenter.com/index-for-continuance-podcast

Susan Bordo, “The Body and the Reproduction of Femininity”

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