Episodes

  • Running Towards Clarity: Dylan Ledbetter's Path to Peace
    Jul 21 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're honored to sit down with Dylan Ledbetter, an incredible ultra runner whose journey from military service to finding freedom on the trails will truly inspire you. Dylan shares his powerful story of how running became a form of therapy, helping him navigate personal challenges and embrace a path to sobriety. We dive deep into pivotal moments like the intense 4x4x48 challenge and his experiences pushing limits at races like the Mid-State Mile and Hail Mary. But it's not just about the miles. Dylan opens up about the vital role of the supportive ultra running community, the crucial impact of smart fueling strategies, and the mindset it takes to overcome doubt and keep moving forward when the going gets tough. His faith and willingness to embrace vulnerability shine through, showing how helping others and focusing on gratitude can fuel your own growth. Get ready for an honest, inspiring conversation about resilience, finding purpose, and the profound joy that comes from pushing your limits with a clear mind and a supportive tribe.































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    1 hr and 32 mins
  • The Sweat, The Sun Sphere, and The Stories: Recent Race Adventures
    Jul 11 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, your hosts David and Matt are pulling back the curtain on their latest adventures, serving up fresh insights and hard-won lessons from the trails!

    We're diving deep into the World's Fair Ultras in Knoxville, TN – imagine running around that iconic Sun Sphere! Plus, we're reliving the highs and lows of Western States, the grind of Mid-State Mile, and the sweltering challenges of Yeti 50 where heat and humidity put our hydration strategies to the ultimate test.

    This episode isn't just about race reports; it's about the unbreakable spirit of our community. We're talking about the vital support that pulls us through, the pressure of expectations, and the pure camaraderie that makes every mile worth it. Get ready for inside scoops, lessons learned about electrolytes, and a peek at what's coming next, including Cherokee and Firewater!

    Join us for an honest chat about balancing training with life, embracing the unexpected, and the undeniable fun we find together on the trails.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Race Updates

    02:27 World's Fair Ultras in Knoxville

    05:37 Western States Race Highlights

    08:21 Pressure and Expectations in Racing

    11:00 Mid-State Race Experience

    13:27 Yeti 50 Race Recap

    15:56 Three Sisters Race Overview

    18:32 Community and Race Atmosphere

    21:00 Final Thoughts on Racing and Events

    28:55 Exploring New Races and Events

    30:40 Race Experiences and Challenges

    33:57 Innovative Race Gear and Preparation

    35:30 Upcoming Races and Personal Goals

    39:43 Cherokee Race Insights and Community Engagement

    42:47 The Importance of Volunteers in Racing

    43:38 Future Race Plans and Reflections

    47:03 Training Strategies and Equipment Reviews

    56:59 Excitement for Upcoming Events and Giveaways

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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • Built on Miles: Michael & Nicholas Leo's Unbreakable Bond
    Jul 2 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're bringing you an incredible story that truly embodies the spirit of endurance, family, and grit! We're honored to sit down with Michael and Nicholas Leo, a dynamic father-son duo whose journey in ultra running is nothing short of inspiring.

    Michael shares his path from various sports to finding his calling in running, while Nicholas, inspired by his dad, started pounding the pavement at a young age. They dive deep into their experiences at the challenging Mid-State Mile, revealing the lessons learned about training, crucial nutrition, and the mental toughness it takes to go beyond what you thought possible.

    This episode shines a light on the powerful bond between father and son, forged through miles, shared struggles, and unwavering support. Nicholas, at just 17 years old, reflects on his remarkable victory at the Mid-State Mile, the emotional moments shared with his father as crew chief, and how facing discomfort has shaped his character.

    Get ready for a conversation packed with resilience, joy, and the inspiring realization that running is not just about the destination, but the incredible connections and growth you find along the way.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to the Guests

    01:17 Michael Leo's Running Journey

    04:00 Nicholas Leo's Early Running Experience

    06:28 The Mid-State Mile Experience

    11:04 The Bond of Father and Son

    11:40 Training for the Mid-State Mile

    15:37 Challenges Faced During the Race

    20:21 Nutrition Strategies for Endurance Running

    25:07 Training Adjustments and Lessons Learned

    29:10 Race Day Experiences and Mental Challenges

    36:04 Overcoming Adversity During the Race

    37:02 The Warrior Spirit of Pete Schreiner

    37:59 Mindset and Grit in Endurance Racing

    38:53 Surreal Moments and Second Winds

    39:46 The Thrill of Competition: Doubts and Determination

    40:57 Behind the Scenes: Crew Chief Insights

    42:41 The Final Showdown: Two Runners Left

    44:20 The Emotional Rollercoaster of Racing

    45:52 Strategies for Success: Pacing and Nutrition

    47:44 Victory Lap: The Joy of Accomplishment

    49:16 Father-Son Bonding: A Special Father's Day

    50:30 The Significance of the Quilt

    52:04 Inspiring the Next Generation of Runners

    52:37 Looking Ahead: Future Races and Goals

    54:08 Finding Purpose in Pain: The Why Behind Running

    55:22 The Importance of Community in Running

    01:03:07 Training for Success: Building a Program

    01:04:48 Reflections on the Podcast Journey

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • Callie Strong: Running Across Tennessee for Hope with Tyson, Clay, & Johnny
    Jun 27 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, get ready for a story that will move your heart and inspire your soles! We're honored to sit down with Tyson, Clay, and Johnny, three inspirational runners who embarked on an extraordinary journey: running across Tennessee for a cause that means the world to them – raising awareness and funds for Callie, a young girl with a rare medical condition.Clay shares his powerful personal transformation, from an overweight youth to the ultra runner he is today, and how that journey intertwined with the profound motivation behind the Callie Strong Run. We dive deep into the challenges they faced on the road, the raw physical and mental hurdles, and how the unpredictable weather threw some serious curveballs.But this episode is so much more than just miles. It's about the unwavering community support that fueled every step, the resilience forged in suffering, and the deeper purpose that drove them to push beyond their limits. Tyson, Clay, and Johnny's story is a beautiful testament to how connecting personal grit with a greater cause can create something truly remarkable.Tune in and be inspired by their humility, their strength, and the incredible spirit of the Callie Strong Run! If you're moved to support their mission, you can contribute here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/callie-strong-run-across-tnAnd be sure to follow Callie's journey and her incredible spirit on Instagram: @calliebeth_ngly1 and the NGLY1 Foundation @grace_science.

    Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Journey01:01 Clay's Running Journey and Transformation05:01 The Meeting of Friends and Their Bond06:31 The Inspiration Behind the Run for Callie10:19 Understanding Callie's Condition and the Cause13:54 The Start of the Run: Day One Adventures24:04 Day Two: Overcoming Challenges and Taco Bell Stops30:55 Food Choices and Running Challenges32:25 Training and Preparation Insights35:04 Dehydration and Mental Struggles39:12 Team Dynamics and Support43:35 Unexpected Experiences and Adaptation47:52 Health Concerns and Decision Making54:28 The Journey of Pain and Recovery57:34 Lessons in Humility and Team Dynamics01:00:29 The Importance of Support and Community01:04:15 Facing Challenges: Weather and Health01:08:23 Transforming Pain into Purpose01:12:16 The Emotional Finish: Community and Accomplishment01:20:18 The Power of Community and Support01:22:20 Personal Journeys and Family Connections01:24:05 The Impact of Shared Experiences01:25:38 Emotional Moments at the Finish Line01:27:31 Understanding NGLY1 Deficiency01:29:38 Research and Hope for Genetic Disorders01:31:01 Humorous Encounters on the Journey01:32:21 Food Adventures During the Event01:34:11 Mileage and Personal Achievements01:35:15 Wildlife Encounters in Tennessee01:36:20 Reflections on Tennessee's Charm01:37:43 Closing Thoughts and Future Aspirations

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    1 hr and 49 mins
  • Bad Beard & Beyond: Ginny Smith's Race Director & Ultrarunning Journey
    Jun 20 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up and hitting the trails with Ginny Smith, a prominent race director for Bad Beard Events and an ultra runner who’s all about building community, one stride at a time!

    Ginny takes us on her inspiring journey from pounding pavement to embracing the trails after moving to Chattanooga. She opens up about the wild ride of becoming a race director – from the early challenges to learning the art of delegation – all fueled by her passion for connecting people through running.

    We dive deep into why community is the heart of trail running for Ginny, and she shares stories from her favorite races that just foster that sense of belonging. Plus, we talk about the ever-changing landscape of trail running, how her events support local charities, and the joy of seeing others find connection and personal growth out in nature.

    Get ready to be inspired by Ginny's dedication to the sport, her love for the trails, and her unwavering belief in the power of community!

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Jenny Smith and Her Journey

    02:56 From Road Running to Trail Running

    05:39 The Transition to Race Directing

    08:14 Injuries and Resilience in Running

    11:11 Nutrition and Race Preparation

    13:58 Memorable Races and Experiences

    16:40 Community and Support in Running

    19:37 The Importance of Strength Training

    22:28 Final Thoughts and Future Aspirations

    28:15 The Sticky Situation: Energy Gels and Race Day Experiences

    32:58 Becoming a Race Director: Ginny's Journey

    37:28 Challenges of Race Directing: The Stump Jump Experience

    42:15 Evolving Race Experiences: Meeting Modern Runner Expectations

    46:57 Ginny's Race Lineup: A Look at Upcoming Events

    51:20 Trail Maintenance and Community Involvement

    56:03 The Heart of Running: Community and Connection

    57:01 The Healing Power of Nature

    58:14 Transformative Experiences in Running

    01:00:44 The Role of a Race Director

    01:04:25 Challenges in Race Directing

    01:06:52 Memorable Race Moments

    01:09:24 The Influence of Music on Running

    01:15:08 Expanding Race Events

    01:15:30 Favorite Trails in Chattanooga

    01:17:21 Community Engagement and Future Plans

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    1 hr and 26 mins
  • From Zombie Apocalypse to Tennessee's Mid-State Mile with RD's Jon Cox and Becca Jones
    Jun 13 2025

    Alright, get ready for an episode that's as wild as a zombie apocalypse (and as inspiring as crossing a state on foot)! This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're welcoming the awesome duo, Jon Cox and Becca Jones from BMFJ Events and the infamous Mid-State Mile! Becca and Jon takes us on a truly unique running journey – from initial motivation to survive a zombie apocalypse (seriously!) to finding joy in the grit of ultra running. They open up about the mental health aspects of hitting the trails, the critical role of pacing, and her absolutely incredible achievement of running across Tennessee! You heard that right. We also dive into the nitty-gritty of events like the brutal Duncan Ridge Trail and the evolving Mid-State Mile, sharing how weather can throw a wrench in the best-laid plans and how community camaraderie becomes your lifeline when things get tough. This conversation is a powerful reminder that running is a journey of personal growth, resilience, and finding your tribe. If you've ever struggled to find your "why" in running, or just love a story packed with heart and humor, this episode is a must-listen!

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to the Dirt Bird Podcast

    00:30 Meet the Guests: Jon Cox and Becca Jones

    01:00 The Journey into Running: Becca's Story

    02:28 Finding Joy in Running: A Personal Exploration

    03:48 Mental Health and Running: A Complex Relationship

    06:53 The Commitment to Growth in Running

    09:15 Reflections on Race Experiences and Personal Growth

    13:32 Proud Moments in Running: Achievements and Challenges

    20:54 Becca's Athletic Background: From Basketball to Ultra Running

    25:48 The Transition to Ultra Running: A New Passion

    32:47 The Importance of Enjoyment in Running

    33:29 The Journey of Endurance Running

    36:29 Planning and Execution of a 630-Mile Run

    41:04 The Challenges of Cruel Jewel

    46:04 The Mid-State Mile: A Unique Race Concept

    56:18 Community and Connection in Ultra Running

    01:08:44 The Power of Community in Racing

    01:10:09 Building a Supportive Environment

    01:11:48 Personal Growth Through Challenges

    01:13:56 Celebrating Every Achievement

    01:15:12 The Emotional Journey of Racing

    01:16:58 Improvements and Innovations in Race Experience

    01:19:22 Reflections on Humility and Growth

    01:21:13 The Why Behind Running

    01:24:01 Living Life to the Fullest

    01:24:52 Future Aspirations and Race Ideas

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    1 hr and 44 mins
  • From Course Records to Comebacks: Our Ultra Journey Continues
    Jun 12 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, it's a special episode with your hosts, David, Matt, and Mary, as we dive into our recent race experiences, the highs, the lows, and the grit it takes to keep showing up!

    Matt's sharing all the secrets behind his incredible course record at Johnston Woods – 60.9 miles of pure determination! We'll get into his fueling strategies and what it took to push past the limits. Mary opens up about her own recent race, facing down some tough health challenges and finding strength in unexpected places, even sharing how vision therapy played a part.

    This isn't just about the miles; it's about the journey within. We're talking about the critical role of nutrition, prioritizing mental health, and the unwavering support of our running community that pulls us through. Every race teaches us something new, and we're sharing those hard-won lessons, our future goals, and the constant balancing act of training and life.

    Get ready for an honest, inspiring chat about pushing boundaries, learning from every stride, and the power of the family you find on the trails.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Race Updates

    00:30 Matt's Race Performance and Strategy

    02:51 Nutrition and Caffeine Management

    05:50 Race Recovery and Future Plans

    10:40 Mary's Experience with Cruel Jewel

    19:54 Training and Preparation Insights

    27:57 Race Day Challenges and Reflections

    39:49 Facing Health Challenges During Races

    42:23 The Importance of Listening to Your Body

    44:54 Navigating Life's Stressors and Racing

    47:57 Training and Mental Toughness

    50:40 Managing Stress and Recovery

    53:46 Upcoming Races and Future Goals

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    1 hr and 20 mins
  • The Grit of Growth: Kyle's Journey Through Discomfort and A Very Epic DNF Story
    Jun 6 2025

    This week on the Dirt and Vert Podcast, we're lacing up and diving into the incredible journey of Kyle Kraeft, an ultra runner who knows a thing or two about pushing through when everything screams "STOP!"

    Kyle takes us back to his very first steps into the ultra world, sharing the raw, real challenges he faced in those early races and the hard-earned lessons that shaped him. We'll hear about his leaps to longer distances, including his first 100K and the notorious Georgia Death Race, where he faced physical and mental hurdles that would break most people.

    But what truly sets Kyle's story apart is his unflinching honesty about hitting that infamous mile 100 wall. He'll share the struggle, the doubt, and that pivotal moment of renewed determination that propelled him forward. It's a powerful reminder that sometimes, the most profound growth comes from intentionally stepping into discomfort.

    Kyle also digs into his training strategies, his crucial hydration and nutrition plans, and the gear choices that make all the difference when you're out there pushing the limits. His journey is a testament to resilience, the impact of facing failure head-on, and the deep personal fulfillment found in the heart of ultra running. Get ready to be inspired!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Ultra Running

    03:04 First Experiences and Lessons Learned

    06:00 Challenges in Early Races

    08:47 Transitioning to Longer Distances

    11:50 The First 100K Experience

    15:09 The GDR Experience

    17:55 Learning from Failures

    21:13 The Road to Success

    23:59 Cruel Jewel 100 Experience

    26:48 Reflections on Ultra Running

    30:12 Looking Ahead to Future Races

    35:03 The Struggle at Mile 100

    44:18 Facing Physical and Mental Limits

    55:43 The Deeper Why Behind Ultra Running

    01:02:10 Training Strategies for Success

    01:11:14 Gear Choices for Ultra Running

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    1 hr and 18 mins