Chasing Shiny Objects: Matt Ley's Leadership Journey
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Chasing Shiny Objects: Matt Ley's Leadership Journey
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In this episode of Uncover the Human, Cristina and Alex chat with Matt Ley—consultant, former pastor, and author of Manager Gaps: Reclaiming the Awesomeness of Management. Matt shares lessons from his diverse career path and how it shaped his view on the critical, often overlooked role of middle management.
Matt explains that great managers do more than delegate—they multiply value, build culture, and support people through clarity, communication, consistency, and care. He goes into the importance “fulfillment ROI” and how leveraging the Six Types of Working Genius model by the Table Group shows how energy and strengths can be aligned to make work more sustainable and joyful.
With humor and sharp metaphors (including a tubing analogy you won’t forget), Matt helps reframe management as a human-centered craft. He warns against “golden rule burnout” and encourages practicing the “platinum rule”—leading people based on their needs and strengths.
Whether you’re a new manager or a senior leader rethinking your org design, this episode offers practical insight into what it really means to support others—and yourself—at work.