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Chalk and Gavel

Chalk and Gavel

By: Chris Thomas and Jamie Kudlats
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Welcome to Chalk and Gavel, exploring how the law shapes education, one case at a time. Join education professors Chris Thomas and Jamie Kudlats as they demystify the complex, ever-changing, and fascinating world of school law. Both former teachers, Chris, a former school attorney, and Jamie, a former principal, draw upon their experiences to explore the stories at the intersection of law and education. If you're an educator, policymaker, parent, student, or someone just curious about education, Chalk and Gavel is here to help you understand how the courtroom is connected to the classroom.Chris Thomas and Jamie Kudlats
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  • 51 | The Ten Commandments and the Establishment Clause
    Aug 26 2025

    Can a state require that the Ten Commandments be posted in every classroom? What does the Establishment Clause mean these days with the rise of the Free Exercise Clause and the impact of Kennedy v. Bremerton? Do you ever get deja vu? We do, because we swear we've already had this conversation. Today, we're discussing a recent case challenging Louisiana's requirement that every classroom display a prominent copy of the Ten Commandments. We've called these hydra laws; when one gets struck down, two more seem to pop up. Or we could call these groundhog day episodes. Whatever you want to call it, we’ve got another 1st Amendment religion case for you today! This is the case of Roake v. Brumley. That’s right, we’re back with another Church/State case…. Are we seeing a pattern yet? We also discuss some recent developments with the Supreme Court and the Trump administration's efforts to lay off more than 1,400 employees from the Department of Education.


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    Need some education law content for your courses or professional development? We have a Teaching Guide! You can check it out at our website, ⁠ChalkandGavel.com⁠.


    We'd also greatly appreciate it if you would consider supporting Chalk & Gavel by becoming a subscriber on Patreon. Your support will help us continue to deliver the education law content you want to hear! ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/chalkandgavel⁠


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    Keywords: Religion in Schools, Ten Commandments, Establishment Clause, Church/State Issues, Trump Administration, Department of Education Lay-offs


    #educationlaw #k12 #podcast #ChalkandGavel #ReligionInSchools #TenCommandments #YouStillCantDoThat

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    48 mins
  • 50 | Tinker v. Des Moines with Mary Beth Tinker
    Aug 12 2025

    We've got a special episode for you to celebrate our 50th episode! We're joined by none other than Mary Beth Tinker, one of the plaintiffs in the famous 1969 Supreme Court case, Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District. We've talked about Tinker so many times on this show; this is the case that set the standard for students’ free speech rights in schools. And to help us explore this case, who better than Tinker herself? Listen in as Mary Beth shares her story and talks about how she has spent her life supporting children and advocating for their rights. In this episode, we explore when schools can silence student speech, and whether a school, consistent with the First Amendment, can forbid the wearing of black armbands in protest of the Vietnam War. This is one you do not want to miss!


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    Need some education law content for your courses or professional development? We have a Teaching Guide! You can check it out at our website, ⁠ChalkandGavel.com⁠.


    We'd also greatly appreciate it if you would consider supporting Chalk & Gavel by becoming a subscriber on Patreon. Your support will help us continue to deliver the education law content you want to hear! ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/chalkandgavel⁠


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    Keywords: Student Activism, First Amendment Free Speech, Students' Rights, Tinker v. Des Moines, Mary Beth Tinker, Black Arm Bands, Vietnam War


    #educationlaw #k12 #podcast #ChalkandGavel #studentactivism #protests #TinkerTour

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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • 49 | Student Protests and Don't Say "Gun"
    Jul 29 2025

    Can schools control what students say at student protests? When is a student walkout a school-sponsored event? What’s the first rule about protesting against gun violence in schools? Apparently, the first rule of protesting gun violence is “don’t talk about gun violence.” At least according to the Shawnee Mission School District. Today’s case is another First Amendment student speech case. We’re heading to Kansas to look at what happened when students planned a walkout after the Parkland shooting, and the school, let’s say, got rather involved in that event, telling them what they could or could not talk about. We also discuss a handful of Supreme Court cases that address legal protections for transgender individuals, including the Supreme Court's recent decision in U.S. v. Skremmeti and two cases on transgender student athletes that will be heard next term.


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    Need some education law content for your courses or professional development? We have a Teaching Guide! You can check it out at our website, ⁠ChalkandGavel.com⁠.


    We'd also greatly appreciate it if you would consider supporting Chalk & Gavel by becoming a subscriber on Patreon. Your support will help us continue to deliver the education law content you want to hear! ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/chalkandgavel⁠


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    Keywords: Student Protests and Walkouts, First Amendment Free Speech, Students' Rights, School-Sponsored Events


    #educationlaw #k12 #podcast #ChalkandGavel #studentactivism #protests

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    50 mins
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