Come to Play

"Just be a good person, Cameron."

I have put myself back 'In the Arena', this time on the other side of the podcast desk.

Soon, I found myself having a conversation I had never had.

This is not a coincidence. My inquisitor is Andrew Horsfield, who is well experienced in drawing out the conversation we need to have. He has his own podcast, the wonderfully named "The Messy Middle." He is thoughtful, generous, and courageous, and this conversation would come with these expectations.

"Let's make this good", was the clear understanding I had after chatting through the prospect of him hosting me on my podcast.

Andrew knows there is little value in the 'known/spoken' dialogue that dominates most of our conversations, but offers nothing by way of solution to the challenges leaders face. We quickly move into the 'known/unspoken' that leaders need to have, mostly avoid, but we are are pleased when we do, and over time, a place I have been prepared to go, as have many of the guests 'In the Arena'.

But there is another level it can go, and we did.

A new conversation, joining of dots, questioning of beliefs, challenging of ideas, minds ticking, knowing that it would be recorded and offered to the world with all of its uncertainty.

These are the best conversations.

Notebook ready!

Play on!