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Between The Lines

Between The Lines

By: Chelle Griffin & Leanne Tran
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 Chelle and Leanne are avid readers, mothers, and both work therapeutically with families. We read the books, and share perspectives on how they can add value to your life.2023 Art Hygiene & Healthy Living Literary History & Criticism Psychology Psychology & Mental Health
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  • Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women

    Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women
    Aug 10 2025
    Between The Lines – Episode: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women What happens when three women—each with their own secrets, struggles, and cultural backgrounds—form an unlikely alliance over coffee, cocktails, and confessions? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne chat with Saman Shad about her bold, witty, and refreshingly honest novel, The Sex Lives of Married Women. Saman, a true “third culture kid,” draws on her globe-spanning experiences to create characters who are as complex as they are relatable. Together, they explore the messy realities of marriage, motherhood, and friendship—plus the power of open, honest conversations about intimacy and pleasure. In this episode:
    • The story behind The Sex Lives of Married Women and why Saman wanted to write about female friendship and vulnerability
    • What it means to be a third culture kid—and how that shapes relationships, identity, and storytelling
    • Navigating cultural dynamics in modern marriages and friendships
    • The challenges (and importance!) of writing about sex, pleasure, and real intimacy in long-term relationships
    • How modern communication tools like WhatsApp and LinkedIn make their way into fiction—and real life
    • Why female friendships matter, and how honesty, humor, and support can get us through even the toughest times
    • Saman’s hopes for the book to inspire readers to have braver, more open conversations—about sex, relationships, and everything in between.

    Discussion prompt:
    Has a friendship ever helped you see your relationship or yourself in a new light? Or, what’s a conversation you wish women could have more openly? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club!

    PS: If you’re looking for a read that’s equal parts hilarious, heartfelt, and honest, The Sex Lives of Married Women should be at the top of your pile. And if you love supporting Australian authors, grab a copy and pass it on!
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    44 mins
  • Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck

    Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck
    Jul 27 2025
    Between The Lines – Episode: Unstuck with Dr. Emily Musgrove Ever feel like you’re spinning your wheels—stuck in the same old patterns, wishing for change but not sure where to start? This episode is for you! 🎧 Leanne and Chelle sit down with Dr. Emily Musgrove, clinical psychologist and author of “Unstuck,” to unpack practical, relatable strategies for moving through life’s challenges (without the jargon!). Dr. Emily brings warmth, wisdom, and a refreshing honesty about what it really takes to live by your values—even when life gets messy. In this episode:
    • Why pain is a universal part of being human—and how resisting it can keep us stuck
    • How to use your values as a compass, not a checklist
    • The real reason change feels so hard (spoiler: staying stuck can be even harder!)
    • Parenting truths: breaking old patterns, repairing ruptures, and embracing imperfection
    • The power of self-compassion, mindfulness, and making choices that align with what matters most
    • Dr. Emily’s own journey writing “Unstuck” and balancing life as a parent, professional, and author
    Whether you’re a parent, a therapy-curious listener, or just someone looking for a little hope and practical wisdom, you’ll walk away with new tools—and a reminder that you’re not alone in the hard stuff. ✨ Discussion prompt: What’s one value you want to live by more intentionally this week? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! Want more? Grab a copy of “Unstuck” and join our Between The Lines Book Club for ongoing conversations about books that move us—and help us move forward.
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    50 mins
  • Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne’s Masterclass in Human Nature

    Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne’s Masterclass in Human Nature
    Jul 13 2025
    Between The Lines – Episode: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers Ever finish a book and just need to talk about it? Multiply that by four, and you’ll get Chelle and Leanne’s reaction to John Boyne’s “The Elements” series! This week, our hosts dive into “Water,” “Earth,” “Fire,” and “Air”—four compact but powerful novellas that weave together stories of crime, guilt, trauma, and redemption. Boyne’s storytelling is masterful: each book stands alone but also connects into a larger, unforgettable tapestry of human experience. The characters—a mother on the run, a rising soccer star, a surgeon with secrets, and a father on a journey of transformation—are complex, flawed, and oh-so-relatable. The result? A reading experience that’s both disturbing and deeply moving. In this episode:
    • The unique structure of “The Elements” series and how each novella brings a new perspective
    • Why Boyne’s approach to responsibility and redemption feels so real (and sometimes hits a little too close to home)
    • How the books challenge our ideas of good, bad, judgment, and compassion
    • The emotional rollercoaster of connecting with characters who make questionable choices for all-too-human reasons
    • Cliffhangers that will have you reaching for the next book (trust us: buy the whole set!)
    • Why this series is one of Chelle and Leanne’s top recommendations—and the kind of stories that linger long after the last page
    Discussion prompt:
    Which element—Water, Earth, Fire, or Air—pulled you in the most? Did you find yourself judging or empathizing with the characters? We’d love to hear your thoughts, reactions, and wildest theories—join the conversation on Instagram or in the book club!

    PS: If you’re ready for a binge-worthy, emotionally rich reading experience, grab all four novellas and let us know which one you couldn’t put down. Spoiler chat is totally encouraged!
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    12 mins
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