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  • 53. Masking Behind the Tics: Tourette’s, OCD, ADHD, & Living the Science You Study with Dr. Rachel Wurzman

    53. Masking Behind the Tics: Tourette’s, OCD, ADHD, & Living the Science You Study with Dr. Rachel Wurzman
    Sep 7 2025
    On episode 53 of A Chat with Uma, I sit down with Dr. Rachel Wurzman—a neuroscientist, neuroethicist, therapist, and lived-experience advocate whose story is as nonlinear and multidimensional as the brain itself. Growing up with Tourette’s, OCD, ADHD, and dyscalculia, Rachel learned early what it meant to be brilliant and struggling at the same time. She survived by embracing creativity and theater, channeling her tics and differences into performance and expression, and refusing to flatten herself to fit the mold. In this first half of our conversation, she takes us inside that journey—of identity, family, diagnosis, and the fierce act of owning her many “parts” instead of hiding them.What emerges is a narrative about otherness, resilience, and the refusal to amputate pieces of yourself just to belong. Rachel shares how childhood “weirdness” became survival, how her family scaffolded resilience in formative ways, and how creativity and hyperfixations gave her lifelines. She also opens up about what it means to live as a “many-hatted” person—neuroscientist, therapist, innovator, and advocate—while holding all her lived experience at the center. Part 1 is raw, validating, and deeply human. Part 2, coming next week, follows Rachel into her groundbreaking work at the intersections of neuroscience, neuroethics, and innovation.Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Introduction & welcome to Dr. Rachel Wurzman!(00:11:10) Growing up “different”: Tourette’s, ADHD, OCD, and learning to survive as a precocious but struggling kid(00:20:40) How religion, culture, and identity shaping a childhood of not belonging(00:31:40) Family resilience: lessons of CBT at the dinner table & early scaffolding that shaped how she coped(00:36:00) Theater as lifeline: channeling tics into performance, reinventing herself on stage, and finding community through art(00:42:20) Creativity as survival strategy: hyperfixations, crafting, and the role of “obsessions” in keeping her alive(00:49:00) Living in parts: discovering IFS, embracing multiplicity, and refusing to amputate pieces of herself(00:55:20) The turning point: collapsing under the weight of academia & learning to rebuild without losing herself(01:02:00) Choosing integration over boxes—why Rachel has always been “many-hatted” and what it costs to live that way(01:17:40) Building community out of survival: co-founding social-health initiatives rooted in lived experience(01:28:10) Science with responsibility: how neuroethics gave her the language to connect research with humanity(01:38:50) Reclaiming weirdness as power: why embracing her nonlinear brain became the key to resilience(01:54:00) Rachel’s reflections of Part 1: resilience, identity, and the possibility of integrationConnect with Dr. Wurzman!⁠⁠Email⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠FacebookWatch Rachel's TED Talk: How isolation fuels opioid addiction⁠Try CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest you want on the show? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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    1 hr and 57 mins
  • 52. Thriving with Schizophrenia: Revolutionizing Brain Health, Co-founding One Mind, & Leading with Lived Experience with Brandon Staglin

    52. Thriving with Schizophrenia: Revolutionizing Brain Health, Co-founding One Mind, & Leading with Lived Experience with Brandon Staglin
    Sep 1 2025
    On episode 52 of A Chat with Uma, I sit down with my dear friend & role model, Brandon Staglin—co-founder & Chief Advocacy & Engagement Officer of One Mind, the world’s leading brain health nonprofit. For nearly three decades, Brandon has transformed lived experience into leadership: co-creating a global organization, raising hundreds of millions for brain health research, & pushing society toward a future where mental health is prioritized like physical health. But behind the impact is a deeply personal story—one that began with a diagnosis of schizophrenia at 18 & a fight to reclaim his life, voice, & purpose.Brandon opens up in this honest conversation with rare depth. We walk through his journey from Napa Valley childhood to the terror of psychosis, through recovery & relapse, to the discovery of meaning in advocacy. He shares the cost of stigma, the reality of treatment, the lifeline of family, & the radical belief that worth is inherent—not earned. If you’ve ever wondered what it means to turn survival into legacy, this episode is a testament to courage, connection, & the possibility of healing at scale.Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Introduction & welcome to Brandon Staglin, M.S.!(00:09:28) Who is Brandon behind the titles & roles? His upbringing, childhood, & early influences(00:17:48) Early cracks in reality: existential questions, “something’s wrong,” & the first shifts in self(00:29:10) Dartmouth years: When he experienced his first harrowing episode of psychosis(00:39:16) The team that held him: family, early clinicians, & how early intervention saved him(00:50:04) 6 years until the word “schizophrenia”: why “thought disorder” landed better at first(00:51:22) A kitchen table intervention of love: “There’s a lot of love coming from here, Brandon” & choosing to engage in recovery(01:11:00) Setbacks & recalibration: medication side-effects, suicidality, & rebuilding around values(01:28:08) How One Mind was cofounded with his parents to accelerate brain-health solutions (01:37:16) Naming the schizophrenia stigma: what people still say & the cost of silence(01:41:26) The One Mind ecosystem at a glance: Accelerator (mental-health startups), One Mind at Work (workplace mental health), Rising Star Academy (funding & training scientists), & Lived Experience Initiative (Council & Community Advisory Network) (01:45:14) How Brandon built the Lived Experience Initiative: giving lived expertise real power alongside scientific & governance bodies(01:48:26) The Council's profound success thus far: consulting for & advising startup founders, research scientists, & Fortune-level leaders(01:55:26) The annual One Mind Music Festival for Brain Health: raising hundreds of millions for brain health research & innovation, bringing together leaders & stakeholders across all fields(02:00:02) Closing reflections, guidance, & inspiration from BrandonConnect with Brandon!⁠Email⁠⁠LinkedInInstagramX/Twitter: @BStaglinOne Mind WebsiteWatch Brandon's recovery song performanceTry CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest you want on the show? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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    2 hrs and 5 mins
  • 51. Tripping in Your Sleep: Psychedelics, The Placebo Effect, & How Human Connection Heals the Brain with Dr. Boris Heifets

    51. Tripping in Your Sleep: Psychedelics, The Placebo Effect, & How Human Connection Heals the Brain with Dr. Boris Heifets
    Aug 25 2025
    On episode 51 of A Chat with Uma, I sit down with Dr. Boris Heifets, MD, PhD—associate professor at Stanford, anesthesiologist, neuroscientist, & one of the most extraordinary scientists & clinicians who is truly revolutionizing mental health! He pushes the boundaries of how we approach consciousness, mental health, & pharmacology—asking questions most people are too afraid to traverse: Do we need to be awake for drugs to heal the brain? What exactly are ketamine, MDMA, & psilocybin doing when they flip a circuit? Could anesthesiology itself hold keys to psychiatry’s future?And yet what makes Boris remarkable isn’t only the science—it’s who he is. Over two hours, he shares not just his cutting-edge research but his story: moving from Moscow to the U.S., struggling with belonging, discovering MDMA & LSD in college, & how those experiences of connection still shape his lab’s vision today. We explore MDMA for OCD & autism, the limits of “magic bullet” thinking, why context & lifestyle matter more than a single intervention, & how anesthesiology lets him practice applied neuroscience in real time. If you want to understand where psychiatry is heading & hear from one of field's foremost minds, this is an episode you cannot miss.Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Introduction & welcome to Dr. Boris Heifets, MD, PhD!(00:08:44) How Boris & I first met, & why I've admired him since!(00:11:00) Who Boris is beyond titles: curiosity, sci-fi imagination, & breaking boundaries(00:16:00) Childhood across Moscow, Denver, St. Louis, Philly → disconnection & search for belonging(00:17:30) College discoveries: MDMA & LSD → the shock of true connection(00:19:30) MDMA for autism spectrum: Alicia Danforth’s trial & showing connection for the first time(00:22:00) Psychedelics as tools, not cures → lifestyle & comorbidities vs. one-day interventions(00:27:00) How reductionistic models fail to capture what psychedelics actually do(00:31:00) Anesthesiology + psychiatry + neuroscience → how Boris integrates it all(00:36:40) Applied neuroscience: giving drugs, flipping brain states in real time(00:43:00) Why mental health was always his focus & the bottlenecks of human communication(01:00:00) Translational bridge: MDMA, ketamine, psilocybin across mice & humans(01:12:00) What anesthesiology teaches psychiatry about states, context, & timing(01:25:00) Team science vs. lone-genius myth → collaboration, controversy, courage(01:36:00) What makes psychedelic medicine powerful: bending life trajectories, not instant cures(01:45:00) How to measure outcomes when the drug is just the beginning(01:55:00) Risks, hype, & how to ground the field in reality without losing hope(02:10:00) Closing reflections: radical curiosity, gratitude, & staying human in the scienceConnect with Dr. Boris Heifets!Heifets Lab WebsiteRead Boris' publications hereEmailX/Twitter: @TheBorisLabLinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest request? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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    2 hrs and 21 mins
  • 50. My Husband Interviews ME: Celebrating Our 50th Episode!

    50. My Husband Interviews ME: Celebrating Our 50th Episode!
    Aug 18 2025
    On episode 50 of A Chat with Uma, we flip the script: my husband, Zac, takes the host chair and interviews me—for our first-ever in-person recording! To celebrate 50 episodes, we go wide and deep; and what he pulls out surprised even me. We trace how I went from barely hanging on to betting my life on the brain; the awe (and pressure) of studying the most complex thing in the universe; what I’d do with myself if science vanished tomorrow (hello, cheese); and the version of me that only exists when the door is closed.We pull apart internet myths about “bought” science and where NIH money actually goes; why diagnoses are both blunt instruments and lifelines; and the chapter I almost never reopen—the singer I was before cancer changed my voice. Zac asks the one question I’d ask the universe. And yes, we lock in a carrot for interviewing HIM on episode 100. Plus, our doggy Beans makes a cameo! This is the deepest cut yet: Zac’s questions pull threads I’d never tug on by myself, and tune in to hear the most open, unmasked conversation I’ve recorded.Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) He finally said yes!: A little bit about Zac, my (VERY private & offline) husband & why he's here today(00:05:12) Rapid-fire kickoff questions... that of course, stump me(00:09:18) Top 5 Dream Guests + WHY—the most interesting person I know, 2 scientists, a novelist, & a grunge legend…and Beans joins us!(00:14:10) The next 25 years of brain science I’m betting on: precision, prevention, seeing the unseen(00:18:46) If I lost it all tomorrow: the soft life, making cheese, and a totally different mission(00:26:40) When the mic turns off: how I act when no one’s around(00:30:56) For anyone who feels “unworthy”: thoughts aren’t facts—and what kept me here(00:36:06) Is science “bought”? The truth about NIH grants, salaries, and where the money goes(00:54:20) The take most people avoid: diagnoses are blunt tools—and still lifesaving(01:05:36) The chapter I rarely reopen: the singer I was before surgery changed my voice (ft. how I opened for Morgan Wallen)(01:11:32) If we cured mental illness, what happens to art?(01:18:40) The one question I’d ask the universe—and why it feels like cheating(01:21:12) Why this episode felt different than any other—and the carrot we just hung for interviewing Zac on episode 100!Try CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest you want on the show? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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    1 hr and 28 mins
  • 49. Unmasking the "High-Functioning" Myth: Life Updates on Mental Illness, Psychedelics, & Upcoming Cancer Treatment

    49. Unmasking the "High-Functioning" Myth: Life Updates on Mental Illness, Psychedelics, & Upcoming Cancer Treatment
    Aug 4 2025
    On episode 49 of A Chat with Uma, I’m back for a solo heart-to-heart with you about the painful circumstances I've been navigating recently. The show has been growing fast (hi, Ologies friends!), & I’ve been prioritizing platforming other voices. But I never want that to crowd out the core of this show: honest conversation about the realities living with serious mental illness, even while building a life in recovery. Today, I walk you through the last two months—an abrupt depressive crash, masking vs. unmasking with people in my life, navigating crisis at the IOCDF conference, & what I learned when I whispered, “Can anybody even hear me?” in the middle of the worst trip I’ve had in years.I also share a major health update: I’m starting a two-week course of radiation to image/treat my metastatic thyroid cancer. I explain what that entails (going temporarily hypothyroid), how I’m preparing, & why I’m treating this forced pause as an exposure for unstructured time—leaning into skills, not compulsions. I hope this honest episode helps you feel seen, & helps the people around you understand the reality beneath a functioning exterior. I promise, you're NOT alone.Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Intro to the episode: Unmasking on a new level, combatting the shame & isolation of severe mental illness, & the core of this showContextual episodes:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠01. My Full Story: 0 to 26⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠02-05. My Mental Health Journey: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Part 1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Part 2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Part 3⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Part 4⁠⁠, ⁠Part 5⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠06. Yes, I've Done Psychedelics: From Psychonaut to Researcher⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: Pt 1,⁠⁠ ⁠Part 2⁠⁠07-08. The Ketamine Diaries - OCD, PTSD, Depression, & Chronic Pain: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Part. 1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Part 2⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:17:34) Where I’ve been: severe treatment-resistant depression history & OCD/comorbidity context(00:22:04) The psilocybin cycle: why I delay it, growing windows of relief…until a sudden crash this June(00:26:00) From anxiety to full-blown unexpected depression episode: hormones, paralysis, & masking through obligations(00:31:58) Everything collides: upcoming IOCDF conference, busiest season of my nonprofit, grants, PhD experiments, friends visiting, & cancer treatment news(00:35:40) My breaking point & why I posted the “in-it” photo (being believed vs. pedestal-ing)(00:43:28) IOCDF while depressive crisis: unmasking in real time, doing the psychedelics panel, & what you didn’t see... being stuck in my room, unable to speak, paralyzed, & at the brink of leaving daily(00:54:54) After the con: finishing lab work on fumes & needing to intervene with psilocybin(00:59:00) The trip: worst yet, loss of insight, & the moment of “I need help—can anyone hear me?”(01:05:28) The realization: feeling deeply unseen + invalidated, the pedestal effect, & finally asking for help in all parts of my life(01:12:04) Cancer treatment update: 2 weeks of radiation & what the results will show(01:16:20) Using forced rest as ERP for unstructured time, intrusive thoughts, & rumination(01:18:00) What’s next: Ep. 50, the crux of this show, & our journey togetherTry CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest you want on the show? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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  • 48. Everything You Need to Know About DBS & TMS: Precision Targeting, Biotypes, & the Brain Basis of OCD & Depression with Dr. Martijn Figee

    48. Everything You Need to Know About DBS & TMS: Precision Targeting, Biotypes, & the Brain Basis of OCD & Depression with Dr. Martijn Figee
    Jul 28 2025
    On episode 48 of A Chat with Uma, I sit down with psychiatrist–neuroscientist Dr. Martijn Figee, MD., PhD—director of Mount Sinai’s Interventional Psychiatry Program & a groundbreaking pioneer in neurostimulation (e.g. DBS, TMS) for psychiatric disorders, especially OCD & depression—for a clear, grounded tour of circuit‑based psychiatry. This is the science companion to last week’s episode with Jon Nelson (ep. 47): today's episode builds on Jon's lived experience to explain how & why the brain can change (in minutes!) when the right circuit is engaged. We unpack deep brain stimulation (DBS) surgery & transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), what “target selection” actually means, & how phenotyping (motor, cognitive, & negative‑affect circuits) guides targeting.We also get practical: access & eligibility, what insurers & clinicians look for, when to choose TMS first, & how accelerated TMS paired with ERP can fast‑track change. We bust myths (OCD ≠ “just the amygdala”) & look ahead to biotyping work designed to match people to the right target the first time--a real step toward precision psychiatry. If you want a rigorous, hopeful explainer of why electricity can be medicine & what that means for folks suffering, this episode shares everything you need to know from the world's expert!Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Welcome & introduction to Dr. Martijn Figee!(00:11:50) Who is Martijn beyond titles: psychiatrist–scientist mindset & science as the backbone(00:17:00) From Amsterdam to DBS: imaging arrives, early OCD DBS cases, & changes in minutes(00:30:00) Circuit basics: motor–cognitive–limbic loops across OCD, Tourette, depression(00:35:52) Evidence‑based OCD care: ERP + adequate‑dose meds; why misdiagnosis/mistreatment delays recovery(00:45:30) Comorbidity vs. one driver: how untreated OCD breeds depression—& why it changes the treatment plan(00:51:00) From presentation to target: phenotyping (negative affect vs compulsion/motor vs cognitive) to pick a target(01:10:00) TMS before DBS? Standard vs accelerated TMS & pairing every session with ERP; access & insurance(01:21:20) DBS candidacy & access: OCD is FDA‑approved; depression is trial‑only; what insurers & teams look for(01:25:40) Targeting, not guessing: ALIC/internal capsule, STN, BNST & fiber‑map guidance pushing outcomes toward ~80%(01:27:40) Where to go: Sinai, Baylor, UCSF—why experience & proximity matters(01:29:50) Biotyping with in-scan tasks: motor/cognitive/limbic dominance; what scans can (& can’t) diagnose—yet(01:33:50) Who isn’t a fit & plan B: non‑ambulatory severity, hoarding‑only presentations, & the role of lesions(01:35:30) Myth‑busting: OCD ≠ an “amygdala disorder,” & why the amygdala isn’t a sensible target(01:38:10) Depression biotypes: switching off pathological “grief” loops; interview‑driven med algorithms & next stepsConnect with Dr. Martijn Figee!⁠⁠Email: martijn.figee@mssm.edu⁠⁠⁠⁠TRANSCEND Trial: DBS for treatment-resistant depression⁠⁠⁠⁠DBS for OCD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest request? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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  • 47. The Pacemaker in My Brain: Treatment‑Resistant Depression, Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS), & Pulverizing the Stigma with Jon Nelson (ft. Dr. Martijn Figee)

    47. The Pacemaker in My Brain: Treatment‑Resistant Depression, Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS), & Pulverizing the Stigma with Jon Nelson (ft. Dr. Martijn Figee)
    Jul 21 2025
    On episode 47 of A Chat with Uma, I sit down with my dear friend Jon Nelson—lived-experience mental health expert & longtime healthcare comms exec—whose decade of treatment-resistant depression nearly killed him before an experimental deep brain stimulation (DBS) surgery flipped the circuit & brought instant remission in 2022. Jon shares the unfiltered, brutal reality of suicidal depression & how anger became fuel for advocacy. We trace his decade of every failed treatment—while his wife & kids bore the invisible trauma of caregiving.He breaks down the difference between sadness & clinical disease, the neurological reality of “choosing life,” & why suicidality is a symptom—not a character flaw. Mid-episode, his psychiatrist Dr. Martijn Figee joins to unpack their shared experience of navigating DBS. Equal parts remission, reclamation, and rebellion—Jon turns survival into a movement to pulverize the stigma of serious mental illness. And come back next week for a solo episode with Dr. Figee, deep-diving into the science of DBS!Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Introduction & welcome to Jon!(00:08:40) Where does Jon come from? Upbringing, background, formative years(00:18:50) Dislocation at 16 → situational depression, honing empathy; college & NYC healthcare advertising years(00:30:40) The descent: depression as cellular “poison,” initial denial, & suicidality as symptom—not weakness, drama, or moral failing(00:49:30) The caregiver toll: bathtub breakdowns, kids’ confusion, insurance combat, financial strain(00:57:30) A decade of failed interventions: 10+ meds, ketamine (IV & nasal), 36 TMS, 11 ECT (memory loss), residential & PHP/IOP cycles(01:22:00) Absolute hopelessness, stigma, & the slim reason to stay(01:28:40) Deep Brain Stimulation prep: trial entry, consent, mindset, surgical risks(01:34:00) Switch flipped: activation, instant remission, and the shock of neutral daily life(01:37:10) Relief & righteous anger: gratitude colliding with a decade of preventable suffering(01:41:00) Dr. Martijn Figee, Jon's psychiatrist: translating “poison” affect into subcallosal cingulate circuit target(01:48:10) Phenotype → target: differentiating negative affect circuitry from OCD loops, guiding lead (or TMS coil) placement(01:52:30) Toward precision psychiatry: circuit diagnostics over trial‑and‑error pharmacology(01:55:00) Pulverize The Stigma: public truth‑telling, rejecting “difficult to treat,” anger as disciplined fuel(01:57:30) Centering caregivers: invisible labor, secondary trauma, & shared remission(01:59:40) Advocacy blueprint: accountability for insurers, institutions, & language reform(02:02:00) Redefining recovery as access to ordinary life & collective responsibilityConnect with Jon!⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: Pulverize The Stigma⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠@PulverizeTheStigma⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠Email: jon@pulverizethestigma.com⁠Connect with Dr. Martijn Figee:⁠Email: martijn.figee@mssm.edu⁠⁠TRANSCEND Trial: DBS for treatment-resistant depression⁠⁠DBS for OCD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest you want on the show? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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  • 46. From Foster Care to Harvard Neuroscientist: The Choice to Live, Maternal Psychedelics, & Post-Viral Chronic Illnesses with Dr. Ya’el Courtney

    46. From Foster Care to Harvard Neuroscientist: The Choice to Live, Maternal Psychedelics, & Post-Viral Chronic Illnesses with Dr. Ya’el Courtney
    Jun 30 2025
    On episode 46 of A Chat with Uma, I speak with Dr. Ya’el Courtney—a neuroscientist whose life traverses extreme circumstances that most only read about. Removed from an abusive, violent, fundamentalist household at 15, she spent her teen years couch-surfing, battling eating disorders & self-harm, working night shifts, & finishing high school coursework as her own teacher. She forged a transcript to escape poverty, later confessed, earned a GED, &—after years of 40-hour workweeks in fast food & bartending—won a full scholarship to Kent State. Ya’el’s love of science carried her to Harvard for a PhD in Neuroscience, where she discovered how serotonin-sensing cells in the fetal brain release “packets” of growth signals—& why activating that pathway with certain drugs (including psychedelics) can derail neurodevelopment.Today, she is a Jane Coffin Childs postdoctoral fellow at Stanford, studying how infections such as Epstein–Barr, Lyme, & SARS-CoV-2 spark long-term neurological illness. We talk frankly about the cost of doing science while poor, eating disorder recovery, post-viral chronic illnesses, & the quiet solidarity required to push for better funding & fair wages inside elite institutions. Ya’el’s story is a testament to the power of showing up anyway—of choosing truth, carving out possibility where none existed, & daring to build a future no one handed you. Her courage & brilliance make this one of the most unforgettable conversations we’ve had.Topics Discussed (+ Timestamps):(00:00:00) Introduction & welcome to Dr. Ya’el Courtney!(00:13:20) State intervention, bouncing between homes, & the decision to stay alive(00:20:30) Shoplifting for food & clothes; straight-A validation at school(00:27:10) Anorexia ➝ bulimia ➝ binge eating: control in chaos(00:33:50) Self-harm as dopamine; reading the DSM & misdiagnosing herself a “psychopath”(00:42:00) Forged transcripts, expulsions, confession, & landing at Kent State(00:49:30) Working 40 h/week while carrying a full course load & unpaid lab hours(00:58:00) Strep + mono, months of cognitive fog, & a commitment to protect sleep(01:05:30) Summer REUs, research productivity, & graduating debt-free(01:12:10) Seven grad school offers—strategy, letters, & the essay that changed everything(01:20:30) Choosing a PhD mentor who defended boundaries & a 50-hour work cap(01:28:40) PhD findings: choroid plexus secretory “balloons,” 5-HT2C signaling, & prenatal drug risk(01:38:10) LSD, psilocybin, & why pregnant or breastfeeding people should avoid them (for now)(01:44:30) COVID’s silver lining: new funding for post-viral brain research(01:49:00) Stanford postdoc: unraveling immune-triggered neurodegeneration in long COVID & Lyme(01:54:00) Making science accessible: “Let the Data Speak”(01:59:20) Closing reflections: turning survival skills into a blueprint for the next generationConnect with Ya'el!⁠⁠WebsiteInstagram: @Yael.Carmel, @LetTheDataSpeakLinkedInX/Twitter: @ScienceYaelBluesky: @ScienceYaelYouTubeTikTok: @LetTheDataSpeakFacebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CURED Nutrition's CBN Night Oil, Serenity Gummies, & all of their other fantastic products--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off of all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Try CLEARSTEM's amazing skincare products, including VITAMINSCRUB, CELLRENEW, CLEARITY, HYDRAGLOW, and HYDRABERRY--Use code 'UMA' for 15% off all products!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Connect with me!My website⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok:⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@UmaRChatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@umarchatterjee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support my work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/umarchatterjee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Have a guest you want on the show? Fill out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Guest Suggestion Form!⁠
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