We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen.

Chapter Timestamps

• 00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now
• 02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!)
• #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive
• 07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide
• 12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school
• 15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent
• 17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)
• 19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing
• 21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)
• 24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check
• 26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)
• 29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)
• 37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24)
• #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive
• 44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote
• 49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide)
• #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive
• 52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard
• 56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land
• 60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing
• 63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”
• 68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)
• 72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc.
• #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive
• 85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive next

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