Join host Justin Forman from a stunning lakeside location in Malawi as he sits down with President Lazarus Chakwera, one of the rare world leaders who transitioned from pastoral ministry to the presidency. In this remarkable conversation, President Chakwera shares his extraordinary journey from leading the Assemblies of God for over 30 years to answering God's call to "pastor the nation."

This episode explores the critical shift happening across Africa—from aid dependence to investment partnerships—and reveals why Malawi's vision for becoming an "inclusively wealthy, self-reliant economy" represents a blueprint for continental transformation. President Chakwera offers profound insights on how faith-driven investors can partner with African nations to create lasting impact while maintaining dignity and mutual respect.

• The miraculous journey from 30+ years of pastoral ministry to the presidency
• Why Africa is shifting from aid to investment—and why this matters globally
• Malawi's ATM strategy: Agriculture, Tourism, and Mining as pathways to prosperity
• How faith-driven investors can avoid exploitation and build trust-based partnerships
• The power of synergy: When pastors, entrepreneurs, and government leaders unite

"I didn't leave ministry. This is ministry." - President Chakwera

"You cannot reap without sowing... we can prosper together, just like God can prosper everyone without him running out of stuff." - President Chakwera

"Investing for me is using what God has given me in order that I might be a blessing to other people." - President Chakwera