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Jenny and Sarah lay down the leadership boundaries that keep their teams sane, their workdays functional, and their patience intact.

From bosses who brag about “open door” policies but vanish when the tough stuff hits, to leaders who think skipping lunch is a sign of commitment (spoiler: it’s not), they’re calling out the habits that quietly wreck morale, and the ones that actually build trust.

You’ll get:

• Boundaries that protect your time and your credibility
• How follow-through turns you from “just a manager” into a trusted leader
• HR horror stories about leaders who couldn’t manage a coffee order, let alone a team

Respecting your boundaries is the first step to getting anyone else to respect them too.

Highlights:
[00:02] “Non-negotiables” without the corporate handbook jargon
[08:15] When “availability” turns into a 24/7 leash
[19:45] The follow-up that shifted team trust overnight
[34:20] Why skipping lunch is a terrible leadership flex
[47:10] Red flags that scream “don’t follow this person”

What’s your leadership non-negotiable? DM us @‌WTFisBusinessCasual or send a voice note, we might share it in a future episode.

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Jenny and Sarah get real (and a little vulnerable) about what it actually looks like to build something together when your brains couldn’t be wired more differently.

From inner monologues that never shut up to brains that see zero pictures when they read (yes, it’s a thing), they unpack how wildly different mental wiring shows up at work, in friendships, and in every tense “are you mad at me?” conversation they’ve ever had.

They talk through:

• Why friction between “big‑picture idea people” and “process‑first planners” isn’t a flaw, it’s the secret sauce
• How knowing each other’s operating systems changed the way they brainstorm, decide, and stay (mostly) sane
• Why psychological safety isn’t just a buzzword, and why your team won’t share their best ideas without it

And yes, there’s laughter, a few cold‑plunge confessions, and plenty of “holy crap, you see it THAT way?” moments.

Great teams aren’t made of clones. They’re built on trust, tension, and a lot of honest conversations.

Highlights:
[00:02] Inner dialogue, color‑coded days, and the shock of finding out not everyone pictures an apple in their head
[25:10] Why Jenny blurts ideas like fireworks and Sarah needs two hours (and a spreadsheet) to process them
[39:45] That time Sarah felt squashed and Jenny felt shut down and why naming it mattered
[52:00] Quick starts vs. deep thinkers and why teams need both
[1:04:20] What Clifton Strengths taught them about each other (and why “restorative” isn’t just being negative)
[1:15:00] Cold plunges, last‑minute chaos, and how showing up late can still get the job done

Tell us:
Are you the big‑idea quick‑start or the thoughtful process‑first type?
DM us! We love seeing how real teams actually work.

Hit play! Because it turns out, opposites don’t just attract… they build some pretty badass businesses too.

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Jenny and Sarah get real about how the pressure to always exceed expectations at work is quietly fueling burnout, quiet quitting, and toxic workplace culture.

They swap HR stories (some hilarious, some horrifying) about leaders who demand 24/7 peak performance, and the human cost that follows. It’s messy, honest, and painfully relatable for anyone who’s ever felt PTO guilt or caught themselves trying to be “on” all the damn time.

Inside, they break down:

• A reality check on why “exceeds expectations” has replaced “meets” as the new normal, and why that’s a problem
• What marathon training can teach us about peak performance, recovery, and sustainable success at work
• Tips for actually taking PTO without guilt (and why your boss emailing on vacation screws everyone)

This one’s for you if:

• You’re burned out from always overperforming
• You feel guilty about using your PTO (stop that)
• You lead a team and secretly worry they’re about to ghost you

Because guess what? Showing up, doing your job, and then going home? That’s actually enough.

Highlights:
[00:02] School drop-offs, chaotic mornings, and why women’s mornings hit different
[12:30] The corporate hamster wheel: no valleys, only endless peaks
[25:10] Marathon training as a metaphor for work (and why it matters)
[39:45] Why “meets expectations” should actually be the goal
[52:00] Leaders, boundaries, and taking real time off (yes, actually unplugging)
[1:04:20] Why people quit without another job lined up and why that should scare companies
[1:15:00] Sarah’s surprise party, Diet Coke bets, and husbands who think sweaty gym clothes are dinner-ready

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Jenny and Sarah get into the HR trenches to talk about every people leader’s favorite nightmare: managing performance issues without a single documented conversation, aka zero receipts!

From the leader who drops a “we’ve got to let them go” bomb via text, to the one with a novel-length complaint file (and zero follow-up), they break down the real reason performance management so often goes sideways and how to stop making it harder than it needs to be.

This isn’t about paperwork for paperwork’s sake. It’s about protecting your team, your company, and your own reputation.

Inside the episode:

• The three manager types that derail performance conversations (Avoider, Documenter, Talker)
• The low-lift documentation system to track conversations without creating more work
• How to actually say the hard thing with clarity and kindness
• Tips for using AI as your HR sidekick, not a crutch
• A spicy reminder that facts > feelings (especially in court)

Documentation doesn’t have to be scary. But skipping it? That’s what gets you sued.

Highlights:
[00:02] Oversleeping, storms, Post Malone, and bad kid karma
[18:15] “I need to fire her yesterday!”... but no one’s talked to her yet
[24:40] Documenters, Avoiders, and Talkers—pick your manager archetype
[37:18] The “SBI” method: Situation. Behavior. Impact. (Facts, not feelings.)
[45:22] Using AI (yep!) to clarify your language, remove bias, and stay human
[58:10] What HR wishes every leader knew and why feedback is a love language
[1:05:30] “I hope every time you hear Bon Jovi, you think of performance management.” You're welcome.

Pro Tip:
If your performance conversations live in your head and not on paper, you’re not leading, you’re guessing.

Need help having the hard conversation? Slide into our DMs with your workplace dilemma, we just might unpack it on the show.

Resources:

• SBI Method (Situation – Behavior – Impact): Use this as a framework for informal documentation and feedback conversations.
• CPR Framework for crucial conversations: Content → Pattern → Relationship – useful for evaluating when a situation moves from a one-off to a larger issue.

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In this episode of WTF is Business Casual?!, Jenny and Sarah go full rogue with a chaotic, hilarious deep dive into the strange world of workplace shenanigans. The pranks that made the office fun… until they didn’t.

This episode is a tribute to the coworker chaos that somehow made your 9-to-5 bearable.

You’ll hear:

• 💻 Why “lock your computer” is more than just IT’s favorite slogan
• 🧀 The cheese prank that cleared a whole office
• 🌶️ A popcorn machine saga featuring jalapeño drama and The Corn Stars™
• 🤮 The fake vomit prank so real it almost got Jenny fired (by herself)
• 💬 The signs that say “please stop talking to me,” and why some of us need them daily

Because in HR, it’s all fun and games… until it’s an incident report.

Highlights
[00:01] Jenny and Sarah introduce “shenanigans”
[05:12] Coffee plug? Yes! But also, lock your damn screens, people.
[13:40] IT threats, fake emails, and one panicked new hire
[20:55] Pranks that aged poorly (but still kinda funny)
[31:22] Jalapeño popcorn: the crime, the all-caps email, the apology from The Corn Stars™
[42:03] Vomit phobia + Oscar-worthy performance = prank perfection
[57:44] Spray bottles, whipped cream, and a workplace almost-wet-t-shirt-contest
[1:08:30] Sticky notes, ceiling cheese, and the great Babybel Cheese War
[1:16:10] Submit your own shenanigans for a future episode!

We want your prank stories!
DM us on Instagram @‌WTFisBusinessCasual with your favorite office pranks (the wins and the ones that went too far). Bonus points for photos, trauma, or HR investigations.

Get yourself some freshly roasted coffee - I finally tried it, and it’s amazing! (tell them we sent you!)

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In Part Two of our deep dive into the WorkHuman Conference, WTF is Business Casual hosts Jenny and Sarah pick up where they left off—this time digging into the big, bold conversations around AI, leadership, and what it really takes to build a human-centered workplace.

Trevor Noah set the tone with humor and heart, reminding us that curiosity isn’t optional—it’s essential. And while AI dominated the agenda, the real takeaway? It’s not about replacing humans. It’s about empowering them.

In this episode, they tackle:

• How AI is already shaping team dynamics (for better or worse)
• Why HR should be steering the AI conversation, not just reacting to it
• How curiosity, resilience, and re-skilling are muscles every leader needs to strengthen

Less hype, more human. And maybe a few laughs along the way.

🎧 Hit play—because the future of work isn’t waiting, and neither should you!

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In Part One of our two-part deep dive into the WorkHuman HR conference, Sarah and Jenny unpack their favorite moments, biggest surprises, and most impactful insights from the event. They tackle some provocative HR realities—like why your team might be spending a staggering 2.5 hours every day just complaining—and explore eye-opening advice from thought leaders like Adam Grant, who reminds us why simply putting in effort doesn’t always merit an 'A.'

Along the way, Sarah and Jenny discuss:

• Why face-to-face interaction still matters in a virtual-first world
• How cultural differences can make or break workplace communication (including some hilarious and surprising examples!)
• Why vulnerability from leadership isn't weakness—it's a superpower
• How giving actionable feedback (not sandwiches!) can transform your team

Packed with real stories, candid reflections, and practical tips, this episode will challenge your assumptions and spark ideas for creating a more human workplace.

Hit play and join the conversation!

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In this laugh-and-learn episode, Jenny and Sarah take you inside the beautiful mess of modern recruiting. From jaw-dropping candidate missteps to the surprising rise of parental involvement in job applications (yes, it’s happening), they break down what’s really going on behind the interview screen. With plenty of humor and hard-earned HR wisdom, this episode serves up real talk on how to stand out—in a good way. Whether you're hiring or job hunting, you'll leave with practical tips, a few "you can’t make this up" moments, and a better sense of what professionalism actually looks like today.