In this episode Madeline and Sharon talk about what ethical obligations we have in sex to be honest, and even authentic, and how the exaggerations of seduction and the practice of faking orgasms are to be judged.

In this episode Sharon and Madeline try to figure out new thinking among the GENS about gender fluidity,

Content Warning: This episode contains very strong language about violence, rape, and sexual assault. Listener discretion is advised.

Madeline and Sharon just watched The Last Duel on Amazon Prime because they had heard about the interesting three perspective view of a medieval rape. It’s part GOT wannabe and feminist view of rape (kind of but maybe not really) movie written by Matt Damon, Ben Affleck (who are both in it) and Nicole Holefcener (who wrote one of Sharon’s favorite movies, Lovely and Amazing. There are many spoilers in this discussion but the co-hosts agree that their discussion is a lot more interesting than the superficial reviews of the movie by the NYT or Guardian. They conclude there are some quintessential problems and questions raised by the middle perspective of Jacques Le Gris, played by Adam Driver. And Jody Comer (All About Eve) is fabulous.

#rape #thelastduel #mattdamon

Sharon and Madeline had been wanting to talk about Britney Spears for ever so long, and conveniently they had scheduled a recording for Nov. 14th which happened to be 2 days after Britney was “freed” from her conservatorship. Issues around “sex positivity” as an illusion, mental illness, and patriarchy frame this discussion of an iconic pop star who was basically enslaved for the past 13 years.

#freeBritney

#ControllingBritneySpears

Trailer on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe6N83dGH1M

Podcast: Toxic: The Britney Spears Story

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/toxic-the-britney-spears-story/id1565880473

Rockwell, D., & Giles, D. C. (2009). Being a celebrity: a phenomenology of fame. Journal of phenomenological psychology, 40(2), 178.

Raven Simone interview

https://teamcoco.com/podcasts/why-wont-you-date-me-with-nicole-byer/episodes/real-life-vs-your-persona-life-w-raven-symone-and-miranda-maday

Rolling Stone interviews with Jenny Eliscu

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/britney-spears-returns-254594/

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/behind-the-britney-story-a-conversation-with-writer-jenny-eliscu-68829/

NewYorker article

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-britney-spears-got-free-and-what-comes-next

#britneyisfree

#britneyspears

#sexualethics

#sexualization

Madeline, Sharon, and their guest Julie Koven have all taught undergraduates and graduate students courses in sex and sexuality. When they read the 2019 story about Professor Cashton https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/05/04/george-mason-faults-professor-sexual-talk-students who was chastised for hot-tubbing with his students and regaling them with stories of his own sexual exploits, they asked themselves where their own boundaries lay. Would they hot tub with their students? Would they go to a strip club, for research purposes? How much would they reveal to their students about their own sexual lives and how do they respond to their students’ sexual revelations!

Judith Levine is a guest in this episode as Madeline and Sharon talk to her about her fascinating book, The Feminist and the Sex Offender, Confronting Sexual Harm, Ending State Violence co-authored by Erica Meiners, and published by Verso Press.

Judith Levine is the author of several other books including Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex which was published in 2002. We discuss “carceral” vs “abolitionist” feminists and work through our curiosities and differences around sex offending. We ask who counts as a sex offender, and what counts as a sex offense. We debate punishment vs. restorative justice and apply this to research on recidivism. We also ask provocatively why, why as a feminist has she chosen to defend sex offenders when violence against women is still rampant? Savvy, funny, and oh so smart, you’ll want to hear Judith describe her book and brilliantly address our questions and concerns!

Intro song:

Dick Haymes & The Song Spinners, "It Can't be Wrong (Remastered)-Single."

Outro song:

James Blake, "The Wilhelm Scream."

In this episode Sharon and Madeline discuss Cardie B’s W.A.P. from their different generational feminist points of view. With consideration of a couple of decades of work on the sexualization of women and girls, they do find something to celebrate, as well as a few things to ponder over.

Intro song:

Dick Haymes & The Song Spinners, "It Can't be Wrong (Remastered)-Single."

Outro song:

James Blake, "The Wilhelm Scream."

Professor Sharon Lamb's Books

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Lives-Girls-Do-Sex-Aggression/dp/0743201078

https://www.amazon.com/Packaging-Girlhood-Rescuing-Daughters-Marketers/dp/0312352506/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=packaging+girlhood&qid=1598298272&s=books&sr=1-1

https://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/girls/report

PODCAST

#keepit

https://crooked.com/podcast/fear-of-a-wap-planet/

Saying whatever we want to say

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xNzBiNjQyNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3qp7HzbTrAhX-gnIEHT51DxkQ4aUDegQIARAC&hl=en

Imperfect Strangers

https://www.imperfectstrangerspodcast.com/